Thank you, Ansley, I think that's what I'll do....Maybe somewhere along the way I may switch to neck collars after I've got more experience. Thanks to all of you, I'm thinking of going somewhere and learning to drive correctly, before I pick up bad habits. Judy _________________________________________________________ To Unsubscribe, change to Digest or Vacation mode go to: http://www.drivingpairs.com/dpmem.html `````````````````````````````````````````````````````````