Hi Bill. Yay, the voice of reason! Cheers Darren ----- Original Message ----- From: Dancing Dots To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 1:12 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: personal request Dear All, As many of you have stated, both on the list and off, we do have a good thing going here. There are a number of veteran users here who have consistently offered help to new users. The list also helps us at Dancing Dots to offer support to individual customers while giving the same information to others who may have the same question or challenge. Ivan's original question was not unreasonable. He is a new user and he is seeking our help and support. He is asking that people stay on topic. We all do need to strike a balance between maintaining the genuine spirit of comradery here while always being careful to keep purely chatty messages off the list and sent directly to those most interested. The recent interchange between Kevin and Mike about scheduling an interview over Skype is a good example. Perhaps neither realized that they were actually communicating over the list and not directly. And, as I wrote earlier today, search engines will find you answers about how to use applications like Skype much more efficiently than sending an off-topic post to our list. But, returning to the balance idea, seeing such posts on this list does not ruin my day or upset me greatly. But I do think it's time for all of us to pay closer attention to what we post here and what we should send directly to list friends off the list. I agree that it is also time to take a breath and/or a long walk and institute a cooling off period. I do not ever like to see abusive language from any list members to any other members. If it continues to happen, I will have to consider unsubscribing offenders. But, please, let's not get to that point. Obviously, if this list isn't proving helpful to a particular subscriber, that person is free to unsubscribe themselves. I encourage Iván or anyone else who does not want to read lots of individual posts to switch their subscription options to "Digest". Go to http://www.dancingdots.com/main/listserv.htm and use the form there to change subscription options. Regards, Bill Bill McCann Founder and President of Dancing Dots since 1992 www.DancingDots.com Tel: [001] 610-783-6692 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Omar Binno Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 7:34 AM To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: personal request Darren, He's been emailing us off list also. It's not funny, nor a joke, nor something to be taken lightly at this point. He's taken offense at people's friendly overtures on here to the point where you'd think someone did harm to one of his family members or something. Ridiculous and accessive; wouldn't you say? ----- Original Message ----- From: Darren H To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 7:21 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: personal request Oh come on guys, we're better than this. We don't have to resort to custard pie chucking and bad language. Everybody just take a breath. Cheeers Darren ----- Original Message ----- From: Omar Binno To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:44 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: personal request agreed. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Christer To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 6:21 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: personal request Hey Ivor! I suggest you either grow-up, learn some grace, or simply f*** off! You are being offensive, ignorant, rude, and, let's face it, displaying some rather psychotic tendencies... I don't know you, and I don't like you! Lastly, if you're gonna post on this list, either utilize wordcheck, or go study my beautiful native language properly! I'm offski now, and when I return, I don't wanna have to listen to any more of your seriously nescient drivel... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivor Lopez" <ivorlop@xxxxxxx> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 9:41 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: personal request It is realy easy to open up your mouth and make suggestions when your not talking about your own time and resources. I also think that your assuming too much about my character when you say , "cheer up." This listserve is not my life, but it has been ocuping more than I care at this point. At this point I am outwaiging the cost and benifits of bing on it and at this point I am about to live it. The list has been taken over by politics and personalities rather than principles. The principle is that I joined this list to ask for help as the CT manual instructed it not to get your personal stuff. If you cannot get that, than, it may not be worthwhile to for me stick to arround. You guys are doing a wonderfull job at alienating someone who is in need for this list, but if you don't care, why should I. On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:29:39 -0500 "Omar Binno" <omarbinno@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > use outlook or outlook express. it will simplify your >life and cheer you up. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ivan Lopez > To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 3:47 PM > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: personal request > > > And how can you asume that my email works the same way > that your does and it is so esey to delete groped > messages? > > It is a pain to delete the irelevent messages that are > sent through this email. > > If you can't respect my request just leve it alone. > > Ivan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:59:42 -0000 > "Steve Wicketts" <steve.wicketts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > Hi Ivan, > > > > Phil and Darren have both offered a lot of their > >expertise to this forum. > > > > I think it's nice that they both had so many good >will > >emails > > > > Regarding the trip down memory lane, it's quite > >informative as well as socially interesting, finding >out > >what People had to struggle with before Sonar and > >cketalking. > > > > The majority of the content on this site is >Technology > >based information. > > > > I personally like that I can think of the People on >this > >site as friends more than just faceless information > >givers. > > The site rarely gets clutter with personal and social > >comments, it's nice that the majority enjoy a light > >diversion once in a while. > > It only takes 2 seconds to delete an email. > > > > I'm pleased this is a very friendly forum, that's why > >it's the only one I ever use. > > > > Ivan, as you may remember you commented on my Abba > >intro, well that was me wanting opinions from People >and > >friends that I trust. > > > > Stay cool, > > > > Steve W > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve > > > > If you Love Rock 'N' Roll, take a listen to: > > Steve Wicketts as The Killer! > > > > www.jerryleelewis.co.uk > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivan Lopez" > ><ivanlop@xxxxxxx> > > To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 1:31 PM > > Subject: [ddots-l] personal request > > > > > > Don't know if others' share the same sentiment about > > people sending messages extraneous and unnecessary to > >the > > focus of this list. At the risk of creating conflict, >I > > will put myself out their and request for members of > >this > > list to send messages of a personal nature to the > > individuals who they are trying to communicate with. >It > >is > > not nice to find several messages in my inbox of a > > personal and jocular nature that can be sent off the >CT > > list serve. 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