[ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes
- From: "Phil Muir" <ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 08:32:51 +0100
Hi Bill!!
I have placed comments within your message.
Cakewalk used to ship a program called (I *think*) virtual Keyboard with
Cakewalk Pro Audio. It ran
as a separate application to which you had
to ALT+TAB to use and the ALT+TAB back to Cakewalk. Not elegant but it worked.
You are referring to the Virtual Piano which, hasn't shipped since, Cakewalk
Pro Audio 9.
> If there is a method of doing this, > then we have a complete step recording
> system with no MIDI
> controller or keyboard required.
See that's the problem, there currently isn't a method of doing this, via the
keyboard. I think
sighted users can use the piano roll view to do this with the mouse. However,
as you know, the
piano roll view, isn't accessible for us.
Regards, Phil Muir
P J Muir Productions
Music And Audio Production
URL:
www.philmuir.com/
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill McCann" <billlist1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:47 AM
Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes
>> There was a thread a little
>> while ago about using the QWERTY keyboard as a note input device - does
>> anybody have the details, please?
>
> As far as I know, SONAR's Step Record feature only permits you to set up the
> rhythmic value before you play a note or notes on your MIDI keyboard. For
> example, q for quarter, h for half note, etc. On the other hand, you can
> enter both rhythms and pitches using the Lime notation editor that comes
> with GOODFEEL or Lime Aloud. You can also do so using Sibelius with
> Sibelius Speaking. See www.DancingDots.com for more information.
>
> Bill
>
> P. S. Cakewalk used to ship a program called (I *think*) Virtual Keyboard
> with Cakewalk Pro Audio. It ran as a separate application to which you had
> to ALT+TAB to use and the ALT+TAB backk to Cakewalk. Not elegant but it
> worked.
>
>> If there is a method of doing this,
>> then
>> we have a complete step recording system with no MIDI controller or
>> keyboard
>> required.
>>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rosser" <rosser@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 4:34 AM
> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes
>
>
>> Hi Tim
>> Did you manage to get any feedback
>> Kind regards
>> Ross
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Burgess" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 2:32 PM
>> Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes
>>
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > Just been reading up a bit on Sonar 5's step recording and yes, you do
>> > need
>> > a means of getting notes into the machine. There was a thread a little
>> > while ago about using the QWERTY keyboard as a note input device - does
>> > anybody have the details, please? If there is a method of doing this,
>> > then
>> > we have a complete step recording system with no MIDI controller or
>> > keyboard
>> > required.
>> >
>> >
>> > Best wishes.
>> >
>> > Tim Burgess
>> > Raised Bar Ltd
>> > Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822
>> >
>> > Don't forget to vote for change at http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> > On
>> > Behalf Of Sandy Licht
>> > Sent: 28 September 2006 00:18
>> > To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes
>> >
>> > Don't you have to use a midi controller of some kind to use step
>> > recording?
>> > In Sonar 5, step recording is definitely more user friendly than it was
> in
>> > Sonar 2.
>> >
>> > At 04:28 PM 9/27/2006, Tim Burgess wrote:
>> >>Hi,
>> >>
>> >>There's the step recording mode. Haven't played with it for a while,
>> >>but this method of recording made a lot of folks a lot of money in the
>> >>80s (giving away my age...).
>> >>
>> >>Best wishes.
>> >>
>> >>Tim Burgess
>> >>Raised Bar Ltd
>> >>Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822
>> >>
>> >>Don't forget to vote for change at
>> >>http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>[mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Rosser
>> >>Sent: 27 September 2006 21:44
>> >>To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes
>> >>
>> >>Hi Tim, my name is Ross, I also am wanting to make use of the piano
>> >>roll in sonar 5. I see what you are saying about jaws not being
>> >>accessible in the piano roll window, I was wandering is there any other
>> >>way of creating bassline,synth patterns without using the piano roll.
>> >>Obviously also without using a keyboard or some instrument, I want to
>> >>be able to do it myself on the computer. thanks Ross
>> >>----- Original Message -----
>> >>From: "Tim Burgess" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2006 8:05 PM
>> >>Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Phil,
>> >> >
>> >> > The Piano Roll is a sort of half-way house between step record
>> >> > editing and editing using the Event View. It's a lot easier for a
>> >> > sighted person to see where notes line up to others at their start
>> >> > and end points when using this view, so it's really useful if you're
>> >> > preparing patterns, drum or otherwise, that you're intending to
>> >> > loop, as you can make note durations, etc, really tight without
> having
>> > to quantise.
>> >> >
>> >> > Must have another look at it myself to try and figure out how you
>> >> > could express its output in speech and/or Braille, but it certainly
>> >> > wouldn't be easy, though it would be great if we could make it
>> >> > possible.
>> >> >
>> >> > It's absolutely the right thing to do to define to a manufacturer
>> >> > why we need something to work then offer suggestions as to possible
>> >> > methods of making it happen.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best wishes.
>> >> >
>> >> > Tim Burgess
>> >> > Raised Bar Ltd
>> >> > Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822
>> >> >
>> >> > Don't forget to vote for change at
>> >> > http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> >> > On
>> >> > Behalf Of Phil Muir
>> >> > Sent: 24 September 2006 08:48
>> >> > To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes
>> >> >
>> >> > Hi Sean!!
>> >> >
>> >> > It's a view that's never been supported by CT. My guess is that, if
>> >> > it were scriptable then, David would have done it by now.
>> >> >
>> >> > I need to take a look at it again. Looked at it briefly however,
>> >> > still not entirely convinced that, it's a view that could be made
>> >> > really accessible in it's current state, ether with CT or, JSonar.
>> >> > For example, if you locate a MIDI note in there, pressing enter on
>> >> > it, won't allow you to alter the value.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, the various values in the piano roll view, only spoke in
>> >> > JSonar, when I set the Jaws highlight to "Say All." Perhaps if we
>> >> > had a good understanding of what the piano roll view is used for
>> >> > then, we could present a good case to 12 tone, explaining why it
>> >> > doesn't work in it's current state, and what would be required to put
>> >> > it
>> > right.
>> >> >
>> >> > It would be worth you getting some of your eyes over there to take a
>> >> > look at it with you. That would probably confirm it for you.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards, Phil Muir
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Sean A. Cummins" <Sean@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2006 5:16 PM
>> >> > Subject: [ddots-l] Re: Problems Sustaining Notes
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Why is that Phil?!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> SeanA!
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