Tim, Okay, that makes a lot more sense now. In other words the design of the device drivers determine which Sonar on-screen features we can get access to. CT and JSonar each have their own drivers that are different. They each make use of a majority of Sonar's features, but each has capabilities that the other does not. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Burgess" <tim@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: January 19, 2009 12:49 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How To Read RMS Meter on CT? Hi, In this context you can think of a control surface as a device driver - something that feeds data to and from a piece of hardware. The Jaws and Jsonar control surface drivers act as virtual hardware that exploit the fact that Sonar sends useful data to control surfaces - it's a very reliable way of gaining this kind of stuff (far more so than trying to interpret it from the video display using traditional screen reading techniques). Best wishes. Tim Burgess Raised Bar Ltd Phone: +44 (0)1827 719822 Don't forget to vote for improved access to music and music technology at http://www.raisedbar.net/petition.htm -----Original Message----- From: ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ddots-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Dave Carlson Sent: 19 January 2009 19:54 To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How To Read RMS Meter on CT? Phil, Sorry if this sounds trivial, but can you please define what we're talking about with the term "control surface"? I always thought this was a piece of hardware. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Muir <mailto:ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: January 19, 2009 10:13 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How To Read RMS Meter on CT? CT does use a control surface however, the JSonar guys, wrote there own. That's why you have some features available in JSonar that are not available in CT such as stereo metering, RMS metres and clips in a list in the clips pane. Of course, the reverse is true. Meaning that there are some things that you can access in CT that can't be accessed in JSonar but in this instance, this is nothing to do with the control surface. Regards, Phil Muir P J Muir Productions, Music And Audio Production Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 UK+44-1747-821-794 Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 E-mail: info@xxxxxxxxxxxx URL: www.philmuir.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Chi Kim <mailto:ms22282@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:56 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How To Read RMS Meter on CT? I thought ct has control surface? I mean when ct installs, you need to activate its control surface. I'm confused. Chi ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Muir <mailto:ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 12:46 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How To Read RMS Meter on CT? 110% positive. CT has never been able to read RMS metres and most likely won't be able to until they write their own control surface. JSonar can because they get them through the JSonar control surface. Yet another reason for David to write a control surface for CT or, perhaps talk Bryan Smart into coding the surface for him or if David wants quicker results, talk to Vic and the JSonar team about purchasing a licence from them for the JSonar surface and use it in CT. Also noticed that in the latest JSonar 8 release, you can access clips in a list. Again this is possible as they are getting clip access through the JSonar control surface. Hmm, I wonder how long it will take the JSonar guys to get clip editing going from the keyboard? Regards, Phil Muir P J Muir Productions, Music And Audio Production Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 UK+44-1747-821-794 Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 E-mail: info@xxxxxxxxxxxx URL: www.philmuir.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: HF <mailto:hermanfermin@xxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:34 PM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How To Read RMS Meter on CT? Are you sure about that Phil? HF ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Muir <mailto:ddots@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:01 AM Subject: [ddots-l] Re: How To Read RMS Meter on CT? Afraid not. You will need to use alternative scripts for that, smile. Regards, Phil Muir P J Muir Productions, Music And Audio Production Telephone: US (615) 713-2021 UK+44-1747-821-794 Mobile: UK +44-7968-136-246 E-mail: info@xxxxxxxxxxxx URL: www.philmuir.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Chi Kim <mailto:ms22282@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: ddots-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 5:54 AM Subject: [ddots-l] How To Read RMS Meter on CT? Maybe I missed, but is there way to read rms meter with ct? Thanks, Chi PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! To leave the list, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=unsubscribe If this link doesn't work then send a message to: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type unsubscribe For other list commands such as vacation mode, click on the immediately following link: ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx?subject=faq or send a message, to ddots-l-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx and in the Subject line type faq PLEASE READ THIS FOOTER AT LEAST ONCE! 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