Here's a big thing I forgot to bring up at the meeting... WHAT'S OUR NAME? "Dayton Oracle User Group" is the obvious choice, though the abbreviation DOUG was long ago snapped up by the Dastardly DBAs of Detroit. We could, however, use "DayOUG" as our abbreviation. Alternately, we could go for something like Miami Valley Oracle User Group, at the risk of getting a bunch of confused Floridans. Or... any other suggestions? I can't think of any particularly cute possibilities. I can't believe the Northeast Ohio Oracle User Group didn't take ORACLEveland... but I don't think we're missing any such golden opportunities. -- - Catherine http://catherinedevlin.blogspot.com/