In a message dated 4/25/04 12:48:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, weez@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: Russ babble randomly for more than that in one regular post. :) Russ uses the verbose definition usually. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Age is not a particularly interesting subject. Anyone can get old. All you have to do is live long enough .Groucho Marx (1890 - 1977)