[brailleblaster] Re: Some Thoughts

Hi Cris and All,

Oh and another thing. By writing the logic in Java, we set ourselves up for 
defeat if companies like Microsoft ban Java apps from their stores.

Now I know that Microsoft has not announced a store and that it is right now 
just a roomer, but I am trying to think about the future.

At least, by writing our core logic in C, Objective-C or C++, we can have more 
flexibility in creating UI's in any programming language, thereby meeting the 
requirements of several third-parties.

I would hate to see our product thrown aside because it is not good enough for 
app store distribution on Windows or the like.

In my opinion, that would be a major blow to the success of this project and to 
the blind community at large.

I believe the world is changing rapidly and users are installing the first 
applications they can get their hands on, regardless of price. If we want 
contributors, we need to put our app in front of users.

Just my thoughts.

regards,
Alex,

Alex Jurgensen,
VoiceOver Trainer,

Visit me on the web at: http://www.vipbc.org/




On 2011-02-02, at 9:41 AM, Chris von See wrote:

> Highly unlikely - rule 2.24 of 
> http://stadium.weblogsinc.com/engadget/files/mac-app-review.pdf seems pretty 
> clear:
> 
> 2.24 Apps that use deprecated or optionally installed technologies (e.g., 
> Java, Rosetta) will be rejected
> 
> You *may* be able to get around the rules regarding deprecated technologies 
> by bundling a JRE (it would almost certainly need to be SoyLatte since you 
> can't include anything with a third-party installer such as an Oracle JRE for 
> Mac).  You almost certainly will not be able to get around the requirement 
> that the UI adhere to the Mac Human Interface Guidelines - Java apps that 
> don't use Apple's enhanced JRE look nothing like native Mac apps.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Feb 2, 2011, at 9:29 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I realize that.
>> 
>> However, I think that including a JDK might solve this.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Alex,
>> 
>> 
>> On 2011-02-02, at 9:28 AM, Chris von See wrote:
>> 
>>> Java applications cannot be included in the Mac App Store.  Java is now 
>>> considered to be an "optional" technology on the Mac, according to Apple.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Feb 2, 2011, at 9:21 AM, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi John,
>>>> 
>>>> I was refering more to Chris' message about using STW's browser control as 
>>>> a UI. That would get us half way to having a web app, would it not.
>>>> 
>>>> Now, that depends on how we end up doing the UI.
>>>> 
>>>> About the auto updater, I am working on it because this is where I feel 
>>>> the most confident, creating a boot loader.
>>>> 
>>>> Here is my question.
>>>> 
>>>> How far along are we in the 2 year development cycle? The website does not 
>>>> list a date that the project was started on.
>>>> 
>>>> I have also been investigating the rules for submitting the application 
>>>> through Apple's Mac App Store.
>>>> 
>>>> I know it is a little early for this, but I have read about developers who 
>>>> wrote entire applications that got rejected because of something that was 
>>>> too difficult to change at the time of submission.
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alex,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 2011-02-02, at 9:13 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Alex,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sorry about the need to modify your application bundle, but
>>>>> BrailleBlaster has always been written as one word.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think you are getting ahead of us. It is too early to include
>>>>> auto-updatre, and a web application is a whold divverent project. We
>>>>> have to stick to what we are doing. After BrailleBlaster is working as a
>>>>> desktop  application we can consider a Web application.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 08:52:17AM -0800, Alex Jurgensen wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I suppose that the Mac issues should be resolved in any case. This would 
>>>>>> help the Mac community as a whole.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've built my boot loader now, but I can't test it yet.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Did you get a chance to look at my mock up yet?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> What do you think of it?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Alex,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Alex Jurgensen,
>>>>>> VoiceOver Trainer,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Visit me on the web at: http://www.vipbc.org/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2011-02-02, at 12:19 AM, John J. Boyer wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I've read through all these messages, and I'm convinced we should stick
>>>>>>> with SWT. By the time BrailleBlaster is ready for use by anybody other
>>>>>>> than a developer the problems on the Mac may be resolved. We can add a
>>>>>>> little pressure to the Eclipse developers to help things along. The idea
>>>>>>> of using the SWT browser to present GUI content is interesting.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The classpaths specified in the ant build.xml file go iknto the manifest
>>>>>>> of the BrailleBlaster jar file. This makes callinng BrailleBlaster very
>>>>>>> convenient on my flavor of Linux and on Windows. We could make different
>>>>>>> versions of BrailleBlaster for different distros, but I think that is
>>>>>>> something for the early adapters who use these distros to worry about.
>>>>>>> They will know their own flavors. And many of them won't care about the
>>>>>>> standard locations.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Let's learn from Alex's experience in proting BrailleBlaster to the Mac.
>>>>>>> Concern about various Linux flavors at this time is a distraction.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> As for me, I'm concentrating on getting BrailleBlaster to work with at
>>>>>>> least generic embossers. Then I'll make a simple text editor using a
>>>>>>> GUI. the experience in doing this will be necessary to make the real
>>>>>>> GUI. The text editor will remain as a BrailleBlaster feature to be used
>>>>>>> by advanced users.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Incidentally, BrailleBlaster is a single word.  It should not have a
>>>>>>> space.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
>>>>>>> Abilitiessoft, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://www.abilitiessoft.com
>>>>>>> Madison, Wisconsin USA
>>>>>>> Developing software for people with disabilities
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>> John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
>>>>>>> Abilitiessoft, Inc.
>>>>>>> http://www.abilitiessoft.com
>>>>>>> Madison, Wisconsin USA
>>>>>>> Developing software for people with disabilities
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> John J. Boyer; President, Chief Software Developer
>>>>> Abilitiessoft, Inc.
>>>>> http://www.abilitiessoft.com
>>>>> Madison, Wisconsin USA
>>>>> Developing software for people with disabilities
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
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