Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.

  • From: "Hamish Mackenzie" <mishu70@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "Silatul Rahim Bin Dahman" <stncom@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>, "Deanne Fernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'Shane Jackson'" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>, <msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Geoff Stephens" <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:15:26 +1000

Hi All

I would just like to chip in on the eloquence debate. I have a licence for MSS as this was the only player several months back but I was also not really enjoying the voice. I recently trialed Smart Hal which has the eloquence voices and I liked it so much I bought the product. On the battery life i find i actually get a longer time between charges than with MSS. I also dont get any crashes when coming out of having the keypad locked nor do i seem to have any random crashes from time to time. Now to keep this a fair comment I would like to point out that MSS is probably a more feature rich product that works slightly better on the web and has more configuration options but the voice was just killing me. Smart Hal works very well with the phone contacts and messaging and I would suggest anyone with a smart phone gives it a go. They offer a 30 day trial as well. I am using an O2 Graphite by the way.

Please dont take this as a direct criticism of MSS which it is not I am merely pointing out an alternative to people who are having problems with the voice. I would be back to MSS in a flash if they got eloquence as an option.

Cheers for now

Hamish
----- Original Message ----- From: "Silatul Rahim Bin Dahman" <stncom@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: "Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>; "Deanne Fernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Shane Jackson'" <jack728@xxxxxxxxx>; <msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens" <geoffslists@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.


Hi Victor,

CodeFactory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS cuz many users were
experiencing the problem of battery running out too fast.  It seemed that
Eloquence drains out the battery very fast. I experienced the same problem myself when I was using Mobile Speak on the Symbian Phone about 2 or 3 years
ago. There might be other reasons too which only CodeFactory knows why.

Regards,
Rahim


----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Tsaran" <vtsaran@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "Deanne Fernandez" <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "'Shane Jackson'"
<jack728@xxxxxxxxx>; <msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Geoff Stephens"
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Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded tonight.


Funny that you say that... I am just trying a 30-day license of
Mobilespeak on my Nokia N95, since it's the only player in town,
and find that all those Akoppelas do not compare to Eloquence.
First of all, they are slower, in my opinion, and second, they
exagerate speech to much, thus making it difficult to operate
the phone.
I wonder why Code Factory decided to abandon Eloquence TTS.
Regards,
Vic

--- Deanne Fernandez <dcm2005@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I agree that Eloquence is much easier to understand than the
voices offered for MSP or MSS.  I am currently using Loquendo
Dave for US English.  I'm still trying to learn how to put
more than one voice on my phone without paying for more than
one license.  I, too, can't understand certain words, even
after reviewing them several times.  I haven't yet figured out
how to spell words on my motorola Q.  I wouldn't mind a
slightly slow response time with Eloquence if I could
understand the speech better.  Sometimes, even when I know
what Loquendo Dave is saying, the word still doesn't sound
llike an actual word.
Deanne
----- Original Message ----- From: Geoff Stephens
  To: 'Shane Jackson' ; msp_mailing@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Cc: blindcasting@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 7:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [Mobile Speak Pocket] New podcast uploaded
tonight.


  I have been showing my 8525 to various blind people since
I'm a new MSP user and am anxious to let people know how
usable and intuitive Code Factory has made these devices.
Veteran synthesized speech users as well as newbies agree that
the speech makes MSP a less than appealing solution.  In fact,
many seem to become completely disinterested in all the rest
of the demonstration after they hear the Fonix speech.  It
seems that everybody wants Eloquence.  I truly believe Code
Factory could sell significantly more copies of MSP if
Eloquence was available.

  I have tried to condition myself to Fonix but I have to
admit that it is still difficult for me after a month and a
half of use.  I'm not very productive with it.  I will live
with it because I have to do so.  I generally use arate of 19.
 I frequently have to go back and review words I did not
understand.  I use eloquence at a much faster rate (75 percent
of maximum with JAWS for example) and do not have any problem
reading at that rate.

  I have seen arguments on this list about the responsiveness
of Fonix.  I support those who contend that it is not very
responsive.  It is difficult to provide support for that
argument since there are many factors to consider including
the device and the screen reader.  How are we to know how
responsive Eloquence would be with MSP if we haven't used it?
I don't know how to qualify it except to say I suspect it
would be bettter.

  I didn't listen to the entire podcast but skimmed through it
and wanted to let you know that the keys above the QWERTY
keyboard are the left and right soft keys in case you want to
use them in the future.  I was forced to do  so a couple of
weeks ago when the front keyboard on my 8525 stopped working.
I have since received a replacement and it is working fine.  I
have continued the habit of using the soft keys on the QWERTY
keyboard when it is open.  For a long time I did not realize
that those keys were actually keys.  I thought they were part
of the communication that must occur to let the device know
when the keyboard is opened and closed.  They are a little
awkward to press at first but they work very well.



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