Your comment about blind teachers with sighted students reminded me of something. When I first became blind I registered with the state rehabilitation agency and in my first meeting with a field counselor with that agency I was really speculating about what I wanted to do with myself. I was completely new to not only my own blindness, but also to the whole field of blindness. I remembered that at one time I had an ambition to become a teacher which I had not followed through with, so I mentioned it as a possible ambition I might resume. The counselor just dismissed it saying something like blind people can't be teachers. At the time I just accepted her dismissal. Now I realize how stupid she really was. Her attitude might be partially explained by the fact that her specialty was not blindness, but was just a general field counselor for the rehab agency. "If you tremble with indignation at every injustice then you are a comrade of mine." Che Guevara The Militant: http://www.themilitant.com/txtindex.shtml Pathfinder Press: http://www.pathfinderpress.com Granma International: http://granma.cu/ingles/index.html _ table with 2 columns and 6 rows Subj: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on children's book without page numbers Date: 8/1/2009 9:28:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: guidinggolden@xxxxxxxxx Reply-to: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent from the Internet (Details) table end Not to mention blind teachers with sighted students where we need to ask things like, "What do you think from the picture that the author means by ...?" or other things"do you think that the boy is happy or sad and how can you tell in the picture?" And yes I had to do that to several students, smile, is supposed to encourage full observation and drawing conclusions from both what you read, hear and what you see in pictures. So Bookshare made it possible for me to do that particular task in my job. By the by, I just noticed this in the last couple of print Braille books from National Braille Press but they are putting in picture descriptions now. block quote ----- Original Message ----- From: Cindy To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2009 5:37 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Question on children's book without page numbers --- Yes, that occurred to me a long time ago and I was wondering why I was describing illustrations. Sighted parent could describe pictures to blind child and sighted child could describe pictures to blind parent.. Then it occurred to me that maybe a very young child wouldn't have the vocabulary to describe what he/she was seeing. Even with descriptions, a parent is probably oing to have to explain what some things in the illustrations are, if the child h asn't expeienced them. I'm so glad that, as Shelley has told us, there are models, e.g., of animals, that a chuld can feel. block quote Or the other way around, sighted parents can read along with a blind child learning to read, and in addition describe the pictures. Misha Jamie Yates, CPhT wrote: > There are parents who are blind who want to read the books their sighted children read. I think children's picture books (when I say picture books I mean books which have text, but also have large pictures, that are usually big hard cover books, but not thick hard cover books with lots of pages. Maybe 20 to 30 pages. > Also there are young children who are blind who might also want to read these books. > When I do them if I think the picture is relevant, then I describe it. I'm not the best picture describer (Judy is!) but I try to tell what is important. > I think the one book I can think of off the top of my head where the pictures are vitally important is No, David by David Shannon. Much of the text just says "No, David!" so you need to know what's happening in the pictures. I think that was one of the first books I proofread as a new volunteer, although when I just checked the collection, it is now submitted and proofread by Worth Trust, so I hope they put as much love and time into the pictures as I did several years ago. > > -- Jamie in Michigan > Currently Reading: Blood is the Sky by Steve Hamilton <br> > See everything I've read this year at: www.michrxtech.com/books.html < http://www.michrxtech.com/books.html> To unsubscribe from this list send a blank Email to bksvol-discuss-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx put the word 'unsubscribe' by itself in the subject line. To get a list of available commands, put the word 'help' by itself in the subject line. block quote end block quote end ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115& bcd=JulystepsfooterNO115)