[bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve - it's a dot and the word and both!
- From: "siss52" <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:20:26 -0500
Thanks, Judy. What you say does explain it. It seems reasonable to me that
the code could be made to display a comma between multiple authors' names,
so that everyone would see the same thing. I do not know anything about
code, but a comma in print translates to a comma in Braille. I am sure
engineering will be delighted to hear of yet another inconsistency. (smile)
Thanks to you and Lynnsky, we now have an explanation, or at least a
probable explanation.
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:51 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve - it's a dot and the word and both!
Carrie, Sue and Lynn:
The more I've read of this thread the more puzzled I've been, so
I went and looked at the entry because I've never seen an "and"
between author's names. smile. But when I tried copying the
book listing you're using as an example and pasting it into an
email I got an "and" too between the authors' names!
Visually, the authors' names are separated on the screen by a
graphic dot. However, I then looked at the source html code for
the page. The actual word "and" is used in the code between
author's names!
Because of the way the actual code is written, the "and" is
"hidden" by the html code from displaying on an actual visual
display by using an html command that calls a cascading style
sheet which turns it into the dot.
From looking at the code, I'm guessing that the way the multiple
authors' names are displayed will be correct visually, but
incorrect for screen readers because screen readers are
apparently reading the code which says "and" without correctly
calling the style sheet that suppresses the and.
If that doesn't make sense, the long and short of it is: the site
is both right AND wrong, depending on what kind of device you are
using to access the information. And it shouldn't be that way,
because it means that the site is displaying different
information depending on what device you use to access the site.
I'm guessing here that it might be helpful to the bookshare staff
to know exactly what software and hardware we're each using to
access the site.
It displays for me the way it does for Carrie, as a dot between
the author's names. I am using the Firefox browser and I
visually look at the screen on a standard Windows operating system.
Judy s.
siss52 wrote:
> Lynnsky, I'm sending you a big cyberhug!! Thanks!!!!!
>
> Sue S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Lynn I <mailto:lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:02 PM
> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
>
> Hi Sue,
>
> All I did was highlight the material I wanted to copy; then did a (ctrl
> c) and copied it to the clipboard. Then I inserted it into the e-mail
> message.
>
> To me, it looks the same even when I insert it into Notepad. The "and"
> is still there. And it is not the (&) symbol, but the word itself.
>
> Blessings.
>
> Lynn I
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* siss52 <mailto:siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:57 PM
> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
>
> Hi Lynnsky!!
>
> Bravo for yoou! That is exactly what I am talking about. Thanks
> for these examples because I did not know how to copy them. But
> Carrie still may not believe it. She said that when she copies them
> to an email it shows up as and.
>
> Carrie, go to it like we would, not like you would.
>
> Sue S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Lynn I <mailto:lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:53 PM
> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
>
> Hi Carrie and Sue,
>
> I didn't read the beginning of this thread so I hope I'm not
> misunderstanding what you're referring to, Sue.
>
> On the (browse new books) page books by multiple authors are being
> presented with an "and" between author names. Here are some examples
> I copied from that page.
>
> block quote
>
> Martin And Meditations On The South Valley by Baca, Jimmy Santiago ?
> and Levertov, Denise
>
> How To Be An Egyptian Princess by Morley, Jacqueline ?
> and Hewetson, Nicholas J.
>
> Japanese Light by Baldwin, Jan ?
> and Barber, Kimiko
>
> block quote end
>
> HTH
>
> Blessings.
>
> Lynn I
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Carrie Karnos <mailto:ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:30 PM
> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
>
> Hi Sue,
>
> When I look at the new books page, I see dots between author
> names, no "and"s anywhere in the author field. Maybe screen
> readers convert dots to "and"s? No idea.
>
> Carrie
>
>
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> *From:* siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2009 2:58:07 PM
> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
>
> Carrie,
>
> When I look at the new books page, I see it as "and". That is
> how I found those two examples today. I did not get them from
> John's list. Not on the book information page, but on the page
> people see before they click on that page.
>
> Sue S.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Carrie Karnos <mailto:ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:32 PM
> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
>
> Now I'm really confused. I don't see the word "and" anywhere in
> the metadata for The Coral Reef. Its authors are Karen Zipkas
> <dot> Mark Norman. And if you look on its book information page,
> you can find "Other books by Karen Zipkas" and "Other books by
> Mark Norman", meaning that the system thinks that they are two
> separate authors.
>
> I may have solved the mystery. I just copied the author field
> over to this email, and it was copied as "Karen Zipkas and Mark
> Norman" even though on the screen it's Karen Zipkas <dot> Mark
> Norman. Maybe whenever the system sees the <dot> between author
> names, it says "and" instead. Has it always done this, or is
> this saying "and" new?
>
> In any event, the system is not concatenating two author names
> as one, which was my main concern.
>
> Carrie
>
>
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> *From:* siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2009 1:39:16 PM
> *Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
>
>
> Hi Carrie,
>
> Two of them are The Coral Reef, and The Grand Inquisitor. There
> are more, I know. But I found these two in the second hundred
> books.
>
> Sue S.
>
>
>
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