Hi Judy!
That explanation makes sense, sort of ... I mean I don't understand the
technical aspects of HTML.
Your explanation makes sense though. Sue and I both use a Braille
Power 40
Braille display and JAWS screen reading software to read the screen.
We may
have different versions of JAWS, but out Braille displays are exactly the
same.
I use IE8 as a web browser.
Thanks for looking into this, and I'm sorry if I added to the
confusion, but
what I see on my Braille display as the actual word "and", so I
understood
what Sue was saying.
Blessings.
Lynn I
----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy s." <cherryjam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:51 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve - it's a dot and the word and
both!
Carrie, Sue and Lynn:
The more I've read of this thread the more puzzled I've been, so
I went and looked at the entry because I've never seen an "and"
between author's names. smile. But when I tried copying the
book listing you're using as an example and pasting it into an
email I got an "and" too between the authors' names!
Visually, the authors' names are separated on the screen by a
graphic dot. However, I then looked at the source html code for
the page. The actual word "and" is used in the code between
author's names!
Because of the way the actual code is written, the "and" is
"hidden" by the html code from displaying on an actual visual
display by using an html command that calls a cascading style
sheet which turns it into the dot.
From looking at the code, I'm guessing that the way the multiple
authors' names are displayed will be correct visually, but
incorrect for screen readers because screen readers are
apparently reading the code which says "and" without correctly
calling the style sheet that suppresses the and.
If that doesn't make sense, the long and short of it is: the site
is both right AND wrong, depending on what kind of device you are
using to access the information. And it shouldn't be that way,
because it means that the site is displaying different
information depending on what device you use to access the site.
I'm guessing here that it might be helpful to the bookshare staff
to know exactly what software and hardware we're each using to
access the site.
It displays for me the way it does for Carrie, as a dot between
the author's names. I am using the Firefox browser and I
visually look at the screen on a standard Windows operating system.
Judy s.
siss52 wrote:
Lynnsky, I'm sending you a big cyberhug!! Thanks!!!!!
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Lynn I <mailto:lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 6:02 PM
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
Hi Sue,
All I did was highlight the material I wanted to copy; then did a (ctrl
c) and copied it to the clipboard. Then I inserted it into the e-mail
message.
To me, it looks the same even when I insert it into Notepad. The "and"
is still there. And it is not the (&) symbol, but the word itself.
Blessings.
Lynn I
----- Original Message -----
*From:* siss52 <mailto:siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:57 PM
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
Hi Lynnsky!!
Bravo for yoou! That is exactly what I am talking about. Thanks
for these examples because I did not know how to copy them. But
Carrie still may not believe it. She said that when she copies them
to an email it shows up as and.
Carrie, go to it like we would, not like you would.
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Lynn I <mailto:lynnskyi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:53 PM
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
Hi Carrie and Sue,
I didn't read the beginning of this thread so I hope I'm not
misunderstanding what you're referring to, Sue.
On the (browse new books) page books by multiple authors are being
presented with an "and" between author names. Here are some examples
I copied from that page.
block quote
Martin And Meditations On The South Valley by Baca, Jimmy
Santiago •
and Levertov, Denise
How To Be An Egyptian Princess by Morley, Jacqueline •
and Hewetson, Nicholas J.
Japanese Light by Baldwin, Jan •
and Barber, Kimiko
block quote end
HTH
Blessings.
Lynn I
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Carrie Karnos <mailto:ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:30 PM
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
Hi Sue,
When I look at the new books page, I see dots between author
names, no "and"s anywhere in the author field. Maybe screen
readers convert dots to "and"s? No idea.
Carrie
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*From:* siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2009 2:58:07 PM
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
Carrie,
When I look at the new books page, I see it as "and". That is
how I found those two examples today. I did not get them from
John's list. Not on the book information page, but on the page
people see before they click on that page.
Sue S.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Carrie Karnos <mailto:ckarnos@xxxxxxxxx>
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
*Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:32 PM
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
Now I'm really confused. I don't see the word "and" anywhere in
the metadata for The Coral Reef. Its authors are Karen Zipkas
<dot> Mark Norman. And if you look on its book information page,
you can find "Other books by Karen Zipkas" and "Other books by
Mark Norman", meaning that the system thinks that they are two
separate authors.
I may have solved the mystery. I just copied the author field
over to this email, and it was copied as "Karen Zipkas and Mark
Norman" even though on the screen it's Karen Zipkas <dot> Mark
Norman. Maybe whenever the system sees the <dot> between author
names, it says "and" instead. Has it always done this, or is
this saying "and" new?
In any event, the system is not concatenating two author names
as one, which was my main concern.
Carrie
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*From:* siss52 <siss52@xxxxxxxxxxx>
*To:* bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
*Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2009 1:39:16 PM
*Subject:* [bksvol-discuss] Re: Pet Peeve
Hi Carrie,
Two of them are The Coral Reef, and The Grand Inquisitor. There
are more, I know. But I found these two in the second hundred
books.
Sue S.
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