[bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
- From: "Julie Morales" <mercy421@xxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 03:00:36 -0400
Thought so. <grin> Take care.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "k4zq" <k4zq@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 2:39 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
Chicken.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Julie Morales" <mercy421@xxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 11:23 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
> You know I saw a quote once that said if everything tastes like chicken,
> what does chicken taste like? <grin> Take care.
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "k4zq" <k4zq@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 5:15 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> They taste like chicken.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Evan Reese
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:39 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> I've never tried them, but I would like to - fried or stewed.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: k4zq
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:20 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> Amy, When I was about 14, my Uncle used to occasionally come up with a
> brace of young conies which he'd fry up, and he and I would have an
> enjoyable feast on fried Rabbit.
>
> Didn't see Pete, so guess he wasn't there.
>
> This list is weird! You have just run into a bunch of us who are
> overly
> picky, because we have nothing better, to do. so, Please, for Heaven's
> sake, try not to get all up tight and offended.
>
> If you're at all interested in a GREAT audible read of the books, Check
> out the edition from Recorded Books. They're available from places like
> Buy.com for a nice price on either cassette or cd.
>
> Peace,
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:35 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> Folks,
>
> I missed some mail not the pans or the conies. I did not say
> fissures
> or holes or whatever you wish because I prefer being exact which is why I
> did not specify the place where the gear was left but I did remember the
> conies and the pans. If you were to see my paperbacked copies of the
> books,
> and even my hardbacked copies, you would see annotations on almost every
> pages representing only the recent readings of the quarted. I did not
> think
> I would have to give my credentials again but I have read the books every
> year since 1969 and have not resisted writing new ideas or connections
> that
> come to mind. I have taught the books to college students in both lit.
> and
> writing courses as well as one group of post graduate students and faculty
> and have examined it from many differents points of view.I did not want
> to
> specify one detail which I could not immediately recall but I did not want
> to offer incorrect information. My books are available but not easily at
> the moment and I just could not make them available without more work that
> I
> thought the discussion warranted with all of you Tolkienites able to do
> the
> research more readily than I. As for Sam's pans, until we sit down
> together
> and discuss the question with him I don't think there is much more to say
> except that stewed conies, even if cooked by Sam, is not a taste I would
> wish to acquire as I would have an image of Peter Cottontail in my mind's
> eye and would choke on them.
>
> Enough said, I hope.
>
> Any
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: k4zq
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:40 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> Geez Evan,
>
> I would NEVER become irritated, or say anything that would be
> possibly offensive to anyone.
>
> I understand your "outrage" it was just that I thought Amy might
> not
> know the books all that well, and could stand some gentle guidance.
>
> In the name of darkness, Forgive.
>
> Peace,
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Evan Reese
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:11 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> Well, she said that she did get references, but doesn't remember
> "getting one with the exact quotation and the word 'fissures'". So I
> asked
> why the word "fissures" was necessary to convince her that he had used
> pans?
> Apparently, she had forgotten, or didn't know, about the stewed conies.
> But
> even if either one of those is true, the fact that I had said I had looked
> it up, although not the sceen in ROTK she was obviously thinking of, and
> said again that I had looked it up when responding to a message from you,
> didn't seem to make an impression on her, my patience ran out. I was
> getting the impression that my veracity was being questioned, and I get
> prickly at that.
>
> As one of my math teachers liked to say, "Clear as mud?".
>
> I have been wrong more than once on this list, and have clearly
> said so. But when I specifically say that I have investigated the matter
> by
> going to the source and checking, and I am still doubted, I think I have a
> right to be at least a little irritated.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: k4zq
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:12 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> Evan,
>
> Didn't quite get this one.
>
> Btw, ain't it fun to start a really interesting thread and see
> where it goes?
>
> Peace,
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Evan Reese
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:18 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> Sorry, Ernie, but if you know why references without the word
> "fissures" are no good, could you clue me in, please?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: k4zq
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:07 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> Amy,
>
> Seems as though my friend Evan is short on patience. The
> reference we were eluding to is from "The Two Towers" Book 4, chapter 4
> "Of
> Herbs and Stewed Rabbits."
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:00 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> Sorry I stepped on toes. The goblins must have gotten
> into my mail and I missed that one. I did get references but I don't
> remember getting one with the exact quotation and the word "fissures". I
> would have remembered as I have an image in my mind of the cavity but not
> one from the movie as I have deliberately tried to forget the movies and
> gave away my copies. I have seen illustrations of the quartet of books
> over
> the years in the calendars as well as elsewhere and it may have been one
> of
> those which I remember but it gave no view of the bottom. Again, sorry I
> missed your email.
>
>
> ----Original Message -----
> From: Evan Reese
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:21 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> Maybe you should read your mail more carefully. If you
> had, you would have noticed that I quoted Sam's references to pans from
> The
> Two Towers last week. I am a little miffed that you would imply that I
> hadn't supplied facts to back up my assertion that he used pans. I even
> said that I had looked it up. It is true that I didn't mention that the
> quotes were from The Two Towers, but I would have thought that you would
> have known that because the incident the quotes came from was mentioned in
> the discussion. Perhaps you don't know the books very well.
>
> Finally some facts, indeed!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:16 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> Sanity and facts finally. Thanks.
>
> Amy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Estelnalissi
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:46 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> Dear Tolkien Booksharians,
>
> Sam would be touched that his beloved pans garnered
> so much attention. This one's for you, Sam.
>
> "'And he (Stinker) isn't going to mess with my
> pans!' With that he carried all the gear away to one of the many gaping
> fissures that scored the land and threw them in. The clatter of his
> precious
> pans as they fell down in to the dark was like a death-knell to his
> heart."
>
> BTW
> Peter Jackson expressed remorse that he didn't make
> more of this emotional moment in his ROTK film
>
> Always with love,
>
> Lissi
>
> "Maybe I should write a book called one hundred and
> one ways to use a frying pan."
> Sam Gamgee
> in Tolkien fanfiction by Alatariel
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:51 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
>
>
> I still must rely on memory as the books are not
> readily available (I can check later if anyone wants me to) but I do
> believe
> that nowhere else in the trilogy are the pans specified except as "cooking
> gear" which, as has been said, was left in the depression (aptly named I
> think) as it was not said to be a hole or bottomless but it was never
> detail
> until the " stewed coneys" and, I think, an earlier reference to the lack
> of
> salt which Sam forgot.
>
> Amy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: k4zq
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:25 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking
> gear
>
>
> Glad you corrected me, Evan.
>
> My skin ai'nt that thin.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Evan Reese
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:33 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking
> gear
>
>
> You are forgiven, but it is a grave offense
> to
> get something like that wrong; so please watch it. <grin>
>
> Besides, maybe you are the one who should
> forgive me. After having looked up the matter for someone else, and
> having
> said so, I may have been a bit terse.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: k4zq
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:49 AM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking
> gear
>
>
> Evan,
>
> Meant to indicate that the memory was
> foggy.
> On further thought, believe sam did say something about Golum getting into
> hot watter if he damaged one of "my pans."
>
> Forgive.
>
> Ernie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Evan Reese
> To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:24 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking
> gear
>
>
> He used pans to stew the rabits, as I have
> already shown.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: k4zq
> To: books ` list
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:41 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Sam's cooking
> gear
>
>
> Sam used a small pot to stew his rabbits,
> but when he dumped his gear in Mordor, there were a couple of pans. One
> of
> them may have been a frying pan, but right now, can't remember.
>
> Ernie
>
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