[bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
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- Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 23:23:52 -0400
You know I saw a quote once that said if everything tastes like chicken,
what does chicken taste like? <grin> Take care.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "k4zq" <k4zq@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 5:15 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
They taste like chicken.
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
I've never tried them, but I would like to - fried or stewed.
----- Original Message -----
From: k4zq
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
Amy, When I was about 14, my Uncle used to occasionally come up with a
brace of young conies which he'd fry up, and he and I would have an
enjoyable feast on fried Rabbit.
Didn't see Pete, so guess he wasn't there.
This list is weird! You have just run into a bunch of us who are overly
picky, because we have nothing better, to do. so, Please, for Heaven's
sake, try not to get all up tight and offended.
If you're at all interested in a GREAT audible read of the books, Check
out the edition from Recorded Books. They're available from places like
Buy.com for a nice price on either cassette or cd.
Peace,
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2006 10:35 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
Folks,
I missed some mail not the pans or the conies. I did not say fissures
or holes or whatever you wish because I prefer being exact which is why I
did not specify the place where the gear was left but I did remember the
conies and the pans. If you were to see my paperbacked copies of the books,
and even my hardbacked copies, you would see annotations on almost every
pages representing only the recent readings of the quarted. I did not think
I would have to give my credentials again but I have read the books every
year since 1969 and have not resisted writing new ideas or connections that
come to mind. I have taught the books to college students in both lit. and
writing courses as well as one group of post graduate students and faculty
and have examined it from many differents points of view.I did not want to
specify one detail which I could not immediately recall but I did not want
to offer incorrect information. My books are available but not easily at
the moment and I just could not make them available without more work that I
thought the discussion warranted with all of you Tolkienites able to do the
research more readily than I. As for Sam's pans, until we sit down together
and discuss the question with him I don't think there is much more to say
except that stewed conies, even if cooked by Sam, is not a taste I would
wish to acquire as I would have an image of Peter Cottontail in my mind's
eye and would choke on them.
Enough said, I hope.
Any
----- Original Message -----
From: k4zq
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:40 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
Geez Evan,
I would NEVER become irritated, or say anything that would be
possibly offensive to anyone.
I understand your "outrage" it was just that I thought Amy might not
know the books all that well, and could stand some gentle guidance.
In the name of darkness, Forgive.
Peace,
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:11 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
Well, she said that she did get references, but doesn't remember
"getting one with the exact quotation and the word 'fissures'". So I asked
why the word "fissures" was necessary to convince her that he had used pans?
Apparently, she had forgotten, or didn't know, about the stewed conies. But
even if either one of those is true, the fact that I had said I had looked
it up, although not the sceen in ROTK she was obviously thinking of, and
said again that I had looked it up when responding to a message from you,
didn't seem to make an impression on her, my patience ran out. I was
getting the impression that my veracity was being questioned, and I get
prickly at that.
As one of my math teachers liked to say, "Clear as mud?".
I have been wrong more than once on this list, and have clearly
said so. But when I specifically say that I have investigated the matter by
going to the source and checking, and I am still doubted, I think I have a
right to be at least a little irritated.
----- Original Message -----
From: k4zq
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:12 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
Evan,
Didn't quite get this one.
Btw, ain't it fun to start a really interesting thread and see
where it goes?
Peace,
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:18 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear
Sorry, Ernie, but if you know why references without the word
"fissures" are no good, could you clue me in, please?
----- Original Message -----
From: k4zq
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
Amy,
Seems as though my friend Evan is short on patience. The
reference we were eluding to is from "The Two Towers" Book 4, chapter 4 "Of
Herbs and Stewed Rabbits."
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:00 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
Sorry I stepped on toes. The goblins must have gotten
into my mail and I missed that one. I did get references but I don't
remember getting one with the exact quotation and the word "fissures". I
would have remembered as I have an image in my mind of the cavity but not
one from the movie as I have deliberately tried to forget the movies and
gave away my copies. I have seen illustrations of the quartet of books over
the years in the calendars as well as elsewhere and it may have been one of
those which I remember but it gave no view of the bottom. Again, sorry I
missed your email.
----Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:21 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
Maybe you should read your mail more carefully. If you
had, you would have noticed that I quoted Sam's references to pans from The
Two Towers last week. I am a little miffed that you would imply that I
hadn't supplied facts to back up my assertion that he used pans. I even
said that I had looked it up. It is true that I didn't mention that the
quotes were from The Two Towers, but I would have thought that you would
have known that because the incident the quotes came from was mentioned in
the discussion. Perhaps you don't know the books very well.
Finally some facts, indeed!
----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:16 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
Sanity and facts finally. Thanks.
Amy
----- Original Message -----
From: Estelnalissi
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
Dear Tolkien Booksharians,
Sam would be touched that his beloved pans garnered
so much attention. This one's for you, Sam.
"'And he (Stinker) isn't going to mess with my
pans!' With that he carried all the gear away to one of the many gaping
fissures that scored the land and threw them in. The clatter of his precious
pans as they fell down in to the dark was like a death-knell to his heart."
BTW
Peter Jackson expressed remorse that he didn't make
more of this emotional moment in his ROTK film
Always with love,
Lissi
"Maybe I should write a book called one hundred and
one ways to use a frying pan."
Sam Gamgee
in Tolkien fanfiction by Alatariel
----- Original Message -----
From: Amy Goldring Tajalli
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:51 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
I still must rely on memory as the books are not
readily available (I can check later if anyone wants me to) but I do believe
that nowhere else in the trilogy are the pans specified except as "cooking
gear" which, as has been said, was left in the depression (aptly named I
think) as it was not said to be a hole or bottomless but it was never detail
until the " stewed coneys" and, I think, an earlier reference to the lack of
salt which Sam forgot.
Amy
----- Original Message -----
From: k4zq
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:25 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear
Glad you corrected me, Evan.
My skin ai'nt that thin.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking
gear
You are forgiven, but it is a grave offense to
get something like that wrong; so please watch it. <grin>
Besides, maybe you are the one who should
forgive me. After having looked up the matter for someone else, and having
said so, I may have been a bit terse.
----- Original Message -----
From: k4zq
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:49 AM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking
gear
Evan,
Meant to indicate that the memory was foggy.
On further thought, believe sam did say something about Golum getting into
hot watter if he damaged one of "my pans."
Forgive.
Ernie
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan Reese
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:24 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking
gear
He used pans to stew the rabits, as I have
already shown.
----- Original Message -----
From: k4zq
To: books ` list
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:41 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Sam's cooking gear
Sam used a small pot to stew his rabbits,
but when he dumped his gear in Mordor, there were a couple of pans. One of
them may have been a frying pan, but right now, can't remember.
Ernie
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