Geez Evan, I would NEVER become irritated, or say anything that would be possibly offensive to anyone. I understand your "outrage" it was just that I thought Amy might not know the books all that well, and could stand some gentle guidance. In the name of darkness, Forgive. Peace, Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:11 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear Well, she said that she did get references, but doesn't remember "getting one with the exact quotation and the word 'fissures'". So I asked why the word "fissures" was necessary to convince her that he had used pans? Apparently, she had forgotten, or didn't know, about the stewed conies. But even if either one of those is true, the fact that I had said I had looked it up, although not the sceen in ROTK she was obviously thinking of, and said again that I had looked it up when responding to a message from you, didn't seem to make an impression on her, my patience ran out. I was getting the impression that my veracity was being questioned, and I get prickly at that. As one of my math teachers liked to say, "Clear as mud?". I have been wrong more than once on this list, and have clearly said so. But when I specifically say that I have investigated the matter by going to the source and checking, and I am still doubted, I think I have a right to be at least a little irritated. ----- Original Message ----- From: k4zq To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 4:12 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear Evan, Didn't quite get this one. Btw, ain't it fun to start a really interesting thread and see where it goes? Peace, Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 9:18 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] OT: Re: Re: Sam's cooking gear Sorry, Ernie, but if you know why references without the word "fissures" are no good, could you clue me in, please? ----- Original Message ----- From: k4zq To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear Amy, Seems as though my friend Evan is short on patience. The reference we were eluding to is from "The Two Towers" Book 4, chapter 4 "Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbits." Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Goldring Tajalli To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:00 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear Sorry I stepped on toes. The goblins must have gotten into my mail and I missed that one. I did get references but I don't remember getting one with the exact quotation and the word "fissures". I would have remembered as I have an image in my mind of the cavity but not one from the movie as I have deliberately tried to forget the movies and gave away my copies. I have seen illustrations of the quartet of books over the years in the calendars as well as elsewhere and it may have been one of those which I remember but it gave no view of the bottom. Again, sorry I missed your email. ----Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear Maybe you should read your mail more carefully. If you had, you would have noticed that I quoted Sam's references to pans from The Two Towers last week. I am a little miffed that you would imply that I hadn't supplied facts to back up my assertion that he used pans. I even said that I had looked it up. It is true that I didn't mention that the quotes were from The Two Towers, but I would have thought that you would have known that because the incident the quotes came from was mentioned in the discussion. Perhaps you don't know the books very well. Finally some facts, indeed! ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Goldring Tajalli To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 10:16 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear Sanity and facts finally. Thanks. Amy ----- Original Message ----- From: Estelnalissi To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 11:46 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear Dear Tolkien Booksharians, Sam would be touched that his beloved pans garnered so much attention. This one's for you, Sam. "'And he (Stinker) isn't going to mess with my pans!' With that he carried all the gear away to one of the many gaping fissures that scored the land and threw them in. The clatter of his precious pans as they fell down in to the dark was like a death-knell to his heart." BTW Peter Jackson expressed remorse that he didn't make more of this emotional moment in his ROTK film Always with love, Lissi "Maybe I should write a book called one hundred and one ways to use a frying pan." Sam Gamgee in Tolkien fanfiction by Alatariel ----- Original Message ----- From: Amy Goldring Tajalli To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:51 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear I still must rely on memory as the books are not readily available (I can check later if anyone wants me to) but I do believe that nowhere else in the trilogy are the pans specified except as "cooking gear" which, as has been said, was left in the depression (aptly named I think) as it was not said to be a hole or bottomless but it was never detail until the " stewed coneys" and, I think, an earlier reference to the lack of salt which Sam forgot. Amy ----- Original Message ----- From: k4zq To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:25 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear Glad you corrected me, Evan. My skin ai'nt that thin. Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:33 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear You are forgiven, but it is a grave offense to get something like that wrong; so please watch it. <grin> Besides, maybe you are the one who should forgive me. After having looked up the matter for someone else, and having said so, I may have been a bit terse. ----- Original Message ----- From: k4zq To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 9:49 AM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear Evan, Meant to indicate that the memory was foggy. On further thought, believe sam did say something about Golum getting into hot watter if he damaged one of "my pans." Forgive. Ernie ----- Original Message ----- From: Evan Reese To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 8:24 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Sam's cooking gear He used pans to stew the rabits, as I have already shown. ----- Original Message ----- From: k4zq To: books ` list Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 4:41 PM Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Sam's cooking gear Sam used a small pot to stew his rabbits, but when he dumped his gear in Mordor, there were a couple of pans. One of them may have been a frying pan, but right now, can't remember. Ernie ------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.1/421 - Release Date: 8/16/2006 ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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