[bksvol-discuss] Re: Need More Scanners
- From: Cindy <popularplace@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:10:32 -0700 (PDT)
I can't find a date for the book that I proofed that was replaced by a PQ copy
(probably because it swas replaced, but I did perhaps the same thing that Roger
did and I found aPQ quality J.R. Tolkien book that had a copyright date of
1949. Of course, PQ quality may not necessarily mean it was donated by the
publisher, unless that's what submitted buy staff means.
My vague recollection of the book I did that was replaced is that it was
published in the 1960's, but at this point inmy life my memory is not
necessarily to be relied upon.
----- Original Message -----
> From: Roger Loran Bailey <rogerbailey81@xxxxxxx>
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> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 5:02 PM
> Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Need More Scanners
>
> It appears to be hard to tell. I just went to the advance search form and did
> a
> search for publisher quality books and sorted them by copyright date. It is
> interesting to find out that they number over 80,000. The last page had
> results
> that appeared to have errors in the copyright dates. They were copyrighted
> something like 0010. Now, I really doubt that they were really copyrighted in
> the year ten. I then tried the previous page and still got copyright dates
> that
> did not seem real, so I started going back one page at a time until I came
> upon
> something that looked like a real date. When I did it was copyrighted in1858.
> Now that sounds like a real copyright date, but it was obviously not the
> original edition. I am pretty sure that electronic text did not exist in
> 1858. I
> decided that at this rate I could spend all day going back one page at a
> time,
> so I abandoned the search. I am not sure that it would have been very
> meaningful
> anyway. Different publishers went digital at different times. I would expect
> that large publishers probably went digital before smaller publishers did,
> but
> that would be only a general thing and it could not be said that any
> particular
> publisher did it before any other particular publisher without some
> information
> on the history of the publishers in question anyway. My guess is that a book
> published before 1990 would most likely not have been published originally in
> a
> digital format. Maybe I shouldn't use the word published in that context
> because they were not really published that way. It was just a matter of
> having
> an electronic file to send to a computerized printing press. That does not
> mean,
> though, that any book published before 1990 is going to not appear in a
> publisher quality form on Bookshare. If that was the case then we would not
> have
> that one copyrighted 1858. If it went out of print before that date, though,
> and
> it has not come back into print it probably will not show up as a publisher
> quality addition. Note that I said probably. The simple fact is that with
> every
> book you scan you are taking a gamble that it will be replaced. Even if a
> publisher has not signed the Bookshare agreement that does not mean that they
> will not do so in the future. All you can do is work with probabilities.
> Older
> out of print books are less likely to be replaced. Books published by small
> obscure presses are less likely to be replaced. Personally, I have stopped
> worrying about it. As far as I know none of my submissions have been replaced
> yet. That is not necessarily because I have been consciously playing those
> odds.
> I think it has more to do with the fact that I am prone to be able to acquire
> and am more interested in books that have a low probability of being replaced
> in
> the first place. However, if my submissions do begin to be replaced I am not
> going to worry about it overly much. Again, I mention the volunteer in the
> homeless shelter analogy. If I was working as a volunteer in a homeless
> shelter
> and the people I had helped got homes I would not consider my work to have
> been
> wasted because I would still have helped them when they needed it. If the
> books
> I have submitted to Bookshare are replaced then at least they were available
> to
> Bookshare users up until the time that they were no longer needed. That is
> not
> to mention that I enjoyed working on the books and whether they are replaced
> or
> not that enjoyment of the past cannot be taken away from me. So I have
> stopped
> worrying about safe and unsafe publishers. I just check the collection and
> the
> books being scanned lists and if I don't find what I am contemplating
> scanning I go ahead and scan it. I am going to have to remind myself to check
> the books in process list though. I tend to forget about that. And speaking
> of
> books in process, I will admit being a bit miffed once over what I was going
> to
> scan. I had checked all the lists and did not find what I was considering
> scanning, so I ordered it from an on line bookseller. When it arrived I took
> one
> more look at the collection only to find that that very day it had been added
> after having been processed by an outsourcer. I mentioned that on list and
> Carrie soon announced that she was going to post a list of books that
> included
> both the books being scanned by us volunteers and the books that were being
> worked on by outsourcers. That list became known as the master list. What
> ever
> happened to that. It seems to have been forgotten. Without it it is like
> having
> the most productive volunteer's scans not appearing on the books being
> scanned list. That includes a lot and we just might be working on something
> that
> will be added to the collection the very day that after we have finished a
> lot
> of work and are about to upload our work.
> On 7/16/2012 3:22 PM, Debby Franson wrote:
>> Hi Evan and everyone!
>>
>> Does anyone know what the earliest year is at this time for
> publisher-donated ebooks? That information would help me decide what is an
> "older book". Thanks.
>>
>> Debby
>>
>> At 12:29 PM 7/11/2012, Evan Reese wrote in part
>>
>>> And even for publishers that Bookshare does get books from, it is
> worthwhile to look into their older books. Lissi and I will be shortly adding
> a
> book from Simon & Schuster that was published back in 1995. It's very
> unlikely that that will be sent in by the publisher.
>>
>>> --
>>
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>> -- The tongue of the wise uses knowledge rightly, But the mouth of fools
> pours forth foolishness.
>> Proverbs 15:2 NKJV
>>
>> "Teach me, and I will hold my tongue
>> ; Cause me to understand wherein I have erred.
>> Job 6:24 NKJV
>>
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