[bksvol-discuss] Re: Ariella Papa again
- From: "Gerald Hovas" <geraldhovas@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:07:05 -0500
Shannon,
All books are uploaded in RTF after validation with the possible exception
of TXT. If I remember correctly, Bookshare can handle upload of TXT files
as RTF since RTF, or Rich Text Format, is a TXT, or text file, with text
commands for specifying formatting. In other words, RTF files are nothing
more than text files with cryptic commands scattered throughout the text
that provide formatting information.
KES, ARK, and DOC files all have to be converted to RTF before uploading
them in order for the Bookshare tools to be able to understand them and
process them correctly (or incorrectly depending on how the Stripper feels
that day <Smile>).
Now that I think about it, BRF files may be an exception as well. You'll
have to ask someone else who validates the occasional BRF file about that,
though.
Should you have rejected your Papa book? If you are positive that the page
breaks are missing, then you can reject it because Bookshare will not accept
it like it is. You also have the option of going to the added trouble of
adding the page breaks back into the book. Sometimes you can tell where
they should be located because of the page numbering, but most of the time
it requires a copy of the book. You also have the third option of releasing
it to allow someone else the option of adding the page breaks if you think
that the book is a popular book and someone might want to go to the trouble
of salvaging it. If you do release it, then it would be nice if you'd tell
the list about the problem, like you did. That way others have an idea of
what the problem is with the book since there's no other way of
communicating the problem to other volunteers. If you do release it, and
you spot it still lingering on the download list a couple of months later,
then you'd probably want to go ahead and reject it at that point to keep it
from continuing to clutter up the list.
It's really a matter of what you're comfortable with doing. As you probably
read earlier, Sarah rejected Brain by Robin Cook earlier today because of
missing page breaks.
HTH
Gerald
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Shannon A. Reece
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 9:21 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ariella Papa again
Okay Gerald thank you for the answers to both my queries. The book I
validated and accepted before getting the Papa was .rtf and had such obvious
page breaks that I sensed something was wrong with the Papa book.
But now I have one more, based on your message below.
You said:
The trick is to open the tXT file with Word then immediately save it as RTF
or a .DOC file. until you're ready to upload. At that time, it should be
saved as an RTF file anyway.
But isn't the book supposed to be uploaded in the original format that it
was downloaded in? So in the case of the troublesome Papa book, doesn't it
have to be in .txt upon upload since it was .txt when I downloaded it?
And also, should I have rejected the book instead of releasing it if I had
the strong sense that the page numbers were not in that file?
The last thing I want to do is give Gustavo, or any validator, grief by
doing something wrong.
Thanks again!
Confusedly yours,
Shannon
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerald Hovas
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 6:33 PM
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Re: Ariella Papa again
Hello again,
TXT files are notorious for not having page breaks. If I remember
correctly, Word doesn't handle TXT files properly and removes all the page
breaks when you save the file as TXT. The trick is to open the tXT file
with Word then immediately save it as RTF or a .DOC file. until you're ready
to upload. At that time, it should be saved as an RTF file anyway. The
only reason I know of to convert to a .DOC file instead of to RTF right away
is that .DOC allows you to spell check the document in multiple sessions
without losing your progress and having to start over from the beginning.
Most people don't worry about that, though, and just go ahead and convert to
RTF right away.
It sounds like the page breaks were probably missing in the original file
that you downloaded, though, which will mean an automatic rejection unless
someone can find a copy of the book and add them to the file.
HTH
Gerald
-----Original Message-----
From: bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:bksvol-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Shannon A. Reece
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 8:21 PM
To: bksvol-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [bksvol-discuss] Ariella Papa again
Okay, it's me, the pesky newbie full of questions, again!I just released
back to the download pool the book by Ariella Papa, called Bundle of Joy.
the reason I did this was because to my way of thinking, the book did not
look like it had page breaks, but I readily admit to being too much of a
newbie at this to say for sure. So I released it so that someone with more
knowledge than me could look at it. but was this the best way I could have
done it, or would it be better to reject it with my comments? The book I
just validated and accepted had obvious page breaks, but this one looked
like most of the pagebreaks happened when Word, (it's a .txt book I looked
at in Word)), had a full page, not when there would be an actual page. At
the beginning and end of this book, there were quite obvious breaks, which
is why I felt most of them were missing. Any advice on how to handle this
kind of thing better in the future?
Sorry for all the silly questions and any help or suggestions would be
highly appreciated.
Shannon
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