Oh when will the misinterpretations stop. Yes, I did say that basic skills are TW requirements (skills like grammar, punctuation and communicative efficacy); but I certainly did not say that the only requirements are these basic skills. Of course TWs design templates, build help systems, create graphical doodahs and do a myriad things other than just communicating (although I am adamant that communicating is the core skill, much more important than knowing any tool or technology more advanced than a quill). Yes, these myriad other things once were not, but now are, requirements for a good many technical writing projects. Yes, we do more than writing and are *required* to do more than writing, so let's lay that one to rest once and for all, please. I never suggested otherwise. But let's go back to the original question: is XML becoming a requirement to be a TW. As a recruiter of technical writers myself, I can tell you quite categorically that knowing XML is not a *requirement* for getting a job in TW. (Peter Martin: you are working on one of my projects right now. Did I test whether you knew XML before I offered you the job? No.) So let's lay this one to rest too. Folks are getting plenty of work as TWs without needing to prove that they know the slightest thing about XML. Peter mentions a number of areas that are now considered important to know (being evolving or even evolved requirements), such as: <quote> + content storage, + structured authoring + content reuse + multi-language publication. + document control systems + knowledge management and content management systems </quote> I agree that a significant sub-set of plasticising TWs work in these fields (or their work involves these fields in part); and yes, in many cases the underlying technology is XML-based. And I agree that TWs with an eye on their career prospects should keep an eye on these areas (just as they should keep an eye on accessibility issues: as per yesterdays posting). But again, I ask the question: do you need to know XML (know all about schemas, namepsaces, data types and so on and so) to be competent practitioners in these fields or with these tools. And the answer is clearly no. For a start, structured authoring precedes XML by decades, and structured authoring is often undertaken merely to apply discipline to authors, not to generate XML. Content reuse: well, FrameMaker users have been doing this forever with text insets and conditional text. (And people have been sharing documents for years, copying and pasting as they please: the simplest form of content reuse and all without needing to know a single thing about XML.) Multi-language application: again with conditional text in FrameMaker authors can send multiple versions of one file-set to the translators (and in these cases, conditional tags act just like XML attributes). My company has been doing this more than a decade, and not an iota of XML knowledge is needed. Document control systems: we've had them for years: VSS, CVS, ClearCase, and none involve any XML knowledge. And so on, and so on. XML technologies might provide the underlying framework for the tools we now use, but mostly XML does not need to be understood by the practitioner. (Yes, there are technical writers documenting server configuration processes, APIs and the like where knowledge of XML may be necessary). But as Christine Kent rightly pointed out, this is just one niche among many in the TW fields. The fact that some plasticising TWs do need to know XML does not in the slightest imply that to be a practicing TW you need to know XML. Do we say that because some physicians are neurosurgeons, then *all* physicians must have an intimate knowledge of the anatomy of the brain? MY GP certainly doesn't. Have I wasted my money seeking his advice regarding conjunctivitis? And one last furphy to lay to rest: even if it is the case that knowing the nitty gritty of HTML or XML can help us fix the occasional bug, this doesn't mean that it is requirement to know HTML or XML to make it in TW. To borrow Peter Martin's analogy, it might help me limp my over-heated car to the nearest servo if I know where the radiator cap is, but I don't need to know this to know how to drive the damn thing. As for the future: well we used to hard code formatting in the very early days of word-processing (think CTOS running on Burroughs B25 micros). We would type \b and b\ to indicate the start and end of bolded text, all in a non-WYSIWIG environment. Happily the human race has bred folk who love to make things easier for others; so now we have GUI dialogs to give us one-click formatting without the need to know anything about the underlying framework. The same happened with HTML (much to the pleasure of those who were hand-tagging HTML in Notepad). And the same is happening with XML. In FrameMaker I can click elements and apply attributes as easily as clicking styles in the style palette in MS Word. Did I waste my time learning XML. No, I quite enjoyed it. Do I need to remember what I learnt? No; those nice code-cutting folk have made that unnecessary. And thus my advice to people who want to break into TW: know what XML is by all means, but don' waste your time getting your hands dirty under the bonnet. And to those who want to specialise as "documentation technicians" (the neurosurgeons of documentation), by all means go ahead and get your hands dirty. Just don't make the poor sods ignorant of XML quake about their lack of XML knowledge and think they won't make it as a TW. they can, and probably 95% of all TWs do. Geoffrey Marnell Principal Consultant Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd T: (+61 3) 9596 3456 F: (+61 3) 9596 3625 W: http://www.abelard.com.au -----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of peterm_5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Friday, 12 September 2008 1:24 PM To: snason@xxxxxxxxxxx; austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: XML - a requirement for a TechWriter looking forwork? > > > >---- Original Message ---- >From: snason@xxxxxxxxxxx >To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: RE: atw: Re: XML - a requirement for a TechWriter looking >forwork? >Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 09:19:28 +1000 > >>I think some of you are confusing the art of writing with the act of >publishing. >> I think this gets close to crystallising one of the main issues here. Leaving aside the use of "art" as a term above, the point is that job requirements-cum-expectations for people in various occupations (or professions or guilds) continue to expand and change. You can write beautiful technical documentation in plain text anytime you want to. BUT... You are expected / required these days to know how to use what used to be called a "word processor". Few employers want just beautiful words in plain text format. They mostly wouldn't know how to "publish" plain text and want someone to do the publication preparation for them as an essential part of the job. (Some seem to think the +only+ thing tech writers actually do is reformat stuff in Word so that it looks nice.) "Desktop publishing" skills have been required of technical writers for decades now. AND ... being able to use drawing tools and add diagrams to your text seems to be listed fairly frequently in "criteria" statements these days... "Requirements" for jobs change over time, whether you think there's some sort of demarcation dispute involved or not... There used to be wharfies, crane drivers, truckies, storemen, packers etc on the waterfront. These days, the jobs run into each other all the time. And new ones are added. Some of us are suggesting that similar things are happening for a significant group of technical writers in areas such as + content storage, + structured authoring + content reuse + multi-language publication. + document control systems + knowledge management and content management systems And this is extending in areas such as + documenting IT programs + systems configuration, and + inter-process messaging. ALL of these are now domains in which XML is increasingly dominant as a background framework. Sure, knowing something about XML is not COMPULSORY for ALL. Nor is knowing Word, or FrameMaker, or AuthorIT etc etc, for that matter. But what's a "requirement" in the future ? It's what employers are going to want and expect. A philosopher, Geoffrey, might suggest: Basic skills are requirements, but not all requirements are basic skills. And of course, Nikki's original post actually asked about two things. To quote her 2 key sentences in stages: >I just thought it rather interesting that "Learn XML" is becoming part >of a requirement for a Tech Writer who is looking for work. >Please can you let me know your thoughts on this... And then: >...and why you think XML > is essential to being a Tech Writer. Some want to deny the latter. I want to affirm the former. -Peter M ************************************************** To view the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field (without quotes). 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