atw: Re: Here it is: The Queen's English? and politically correct calendars
- From: "Deborah Cross" <Deborah.Cross@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:00:07 +1000
At the (very high) risk of prolonging this discussion, I just wanted to explain
that 'of our Lord' was taken out because there was no need to introduce the
concept of religion into the polo match invite. Religion is (for many) a
matter of personal choice. The Queen being head of state is not (yet). I
believe we celebrate the Queen's birthday because of her position as head of
state, not of a church.
We have many staff from non Western backgrounds. I too doubt that they would
be offended (a few said they wouldn't be), but I figure removing 'of our Lord'
doesn't harm the feel of the invitation too much and avoids the issue
altogether! I'm pretty sure most of our staff aren't going to pick that 'of
our Lord' is missing.
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Subject: atw: Re: Here it is: The Queen's English? and politically correct
calendars
Deborah, I agree with Christine. I actually discarded my first response,
because I thought I would be singled out as being a bit of a crackpot, and/or I
might be considered as being a bit precious... Besides, the pointed vitriol I
could write on this list over the issue brought up would be neither
appropriate, fair or edifying. Not only that, but the whole thread started as a
bit of fun.! ;-)
I AM A CHRISTIAN. And a Presbyterian, which means I know what faith and belief
truly mean in context of testable, justified doctrine and dogma about living as
Christ would have us, leaving signposts in your life that point to Christ, not
for once but for generations... I avoid forcing my opinions on others, or
afflict people with my beliefs, but there is a point where I will say "get off
my back".
So why discriminate against my beliefs, that this year, 2007, is the year of
"our Lord?" Remove it and offend me. Don't and who exactly will you offend?
Atheists? Agnostics? Satan? (Actually he is the one laughing at us).
As a part time scholar of religion and theology, by leaving it in there, I
strongly doubt you'll offend mainstream, conservative and reasonable: Muslims,
Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Mormons, JWs, Sikhs and I could name a few
more.
Anyway, I really enjoyed the thread yesterday, it was great fun, and feel quite
invigorated by this vent. I might go find a heretic for a lunch-time bbq over
at Darling Harbour! Steve H, feel like a roasting? Where is he when you need
him...
Warren Lewington
Technical Writer
Phone: 02 8572 3195
warren.lewington@xxxxxxxxxx
John Holland Water Projects
"Christine Kent" <christine_kent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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atw: Here it is: The Queen's English? and politically correct calendars
Oh my goodness - Political correctness gone mad!
Our calendar is based on "the year of our Lord" (albeit incorrectly) so I guess
we have to change our calendar now too - fancy that - another cause for the
politically correct to fight! Which calendar shall we take? Ah I know, one
that has already gone past 2012 - that would be a good idea. Any candidates?
And all the Queens were practicing Christians of one flavour or another! Guess
we have to rewrite history to pretend they were .........what? But then, if
Queens are not allowed to be Christian any more, should we be celebrating the
birthday of someone who is - oh horror of horrors - not only a fully fledged
church-going Christian but the titular head of the Church of England! Argggh -
take her to court and charge her with offences against political correctness!
What a tangled web...
Does anyone believe this stuff any more? Everyone I have ever talked to
believes political correctness is a sad and meaningless joke, so who is
perpetrating it and enforcing it? Does anyone know? Come on Granat - give us
the Jewish perspective, please, and make it ra(b)bi-d-d. Is the queen allowed
to be Christian, and are we allowed to keep counting years from the supposed
birth of Christ? Can we please get back to "the pursuit of frivolity and
licentiousness".
Amen,
Yours in Christ, Christine
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[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Deborah Cross
Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2007 8:34 AM
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Subject: atw: Re: Here it is: The Queen's English?
Thanx for pointing it out Bob. I was asked to remove the 'of our Lord' in case
it offended anyone not Christian, so it's not there anymore.
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[mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Trussler
Sent: Monday, 21 May 2007 4:29 PM
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Subject: atw: Re: Here it is: The Queen's English?
shouldn't this have a capital?
seventh year of our Lord.
Just being picky.
Bob T
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I love it - WELL done to all!!!!
:-)
Debbie
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I meant I'm seeking approval of those who helped provide the wording :0) But
yes, my workplace is a little government-like!
OK, here's the wording I'm proposing with thanx to Susy North and Peter G
Martin for much of it:
Here ye, hear ye!
Her Majesty the Queen hereby commands the presence of her loyal subjects for an
equestrian contention between certain of her Colonial servants domiciled in
portions of her kingdoms now known as Australia and certain other outlanders
not so fortunate as to be so permanently settled therein, the game to be known
by this her decree, as the Royal Polo ~ Australian vs. Expats.
Subjects should gather in the grounds of the South Oval as the clock strikes
midday on the eighth day of June in the two thousand and seventh year of our
lord. Subjects not attired with a hat and sunscreen shall be beheaded.
Faithful subjects will be rewarded with canapés and mocktails at conclusion of
the Royal Polo.
The Royal Polo is held in honour of the celebration of the anniversary of her
majesty's illustrious ancestors' birth, which has been an occasion, in times
past, to assemble for the purposes of gambolling and sundry other nefarious
endeavours, and for the pursuit of frivolity and licentiousness.
XXX commands acknowledgement of your attendance by the first day of June in the
two thousand and seventh year of our lord.
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