Deborah, I agree with Christine. I actually discarded my first response, because I thought I would be singled out as being a bit of a crackpot, and/or I might be considered as being a bit precious... Besides, the pointed vitriol I could write on this list over the issue brought up would be neither appropriate, fair or edifying. Not only that, but the whole thread started as a bit of fun.! ;-) I AM A CHRISTIAN. And a Presbyterian, which means I know what faith and belief truly mean in context of testable, justified doctrine and dogma about living as Christ would have us, leaving signposts in your life that point to Christ, not for once but for generations... I avoid forcing my opinions on others, or afflict people with my beliefs, but there is a point where I will say "get off my back". So why discriminate against my beliefs, that this year, 2007, is the year of "our Lord?" Remove it and offend me. Don't and who exactly will you offend? Atheists? Agnostics? Satan? (Actually he is the one laughing at us). As a part time scholar of religion and theology, by leaving it in there, I strongly doubt you'll offend mainstream, conservative and reasonable: Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Mormons, JWs, Sikhs and I could name a few more. Anyway, I really enjoyed the thread yesterday, it was great fun, and feel quite invigorated by this vent. I might go find a heretic for a lunch-time bbq over at Darling Harbour! Steve H, feel like a roasting? Where is he when you need him... Warren Lewington Technical Writer Phone: 02 8572 3195 warren.lewington@xxxxxxxxxx John Holland Water Projects "Christine Kent" <christine_kent@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent by: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx 22/05/2007 09:08 AM Please respond to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To <austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> cc Subject atw: Here it is: The Queen's English? and politically correct calendars Oh my goodness - Political correctness gone mad! Our calendar is based on "the year of our Lord" (albeit incorrectly) so I guess we have to change our calendar now too - fancy that - another cause for the politically correct to fight! Which calendar shall we take? Ah I know, one that has already gone past 2012 - that would be a good idea. Any candidates? And all the Queens were practicing Christians of one flavour or another! Guess we have to rewrite history to pretend they were .........what? But then, if Queens are not allowed to be Christian any more, should we be celebrating the birthday of someone who is - oh horror of horrors - not only a fully fledged church-going Christian but the titular head of the Church of England! Argggh - take her to court and charge her with offences against political correctness! What a tangled web... Does anyone believe this stuff any more? Everyone I have ever talked to believes political correctness is a sad and meaningless joke, so who is perpetrating it and enforcing it? Does anyone know? Come on Granat - give us the Jewish perspective, please, and make it ra(b)bi-d-d. Is the queen allowed to be Christian, and are we allowed to keep counting years from the supposed birth of Christ? Can we please get back to "the pursuit of frivolity and licentiousness". Amen, Yours in Christ, Christine From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Deborah Cross Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2007 8:34 AM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: Here it is: The Queen's English? Thanx for pointing it out Bob. I was asked to remove the 'of our Lord' in case it offended anyone not Christian, so it's not there anymore. From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bob Trussler Sent: Monday, 21 May 2007 4:29 PM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: Here it is: The Queen's English? shouldn't this have a capital? seventh year of our Lord. Just being picky. Bob T On 5/21/07, austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx < austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: I love it - WELL done to all!!!! :-) Debbie -----Original Message----- From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Deborah Cross Sent: Monday, 21 May 2007 3:23 PM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Here it is: The Queen's English? I meant I'm seeking approval of those who helped provide the wording :0) But yes, my workplace is a little government-like! OK, here's the wording I'm proposing with thanx to Susy North and Peter G Martin for much of it: Here ye, hear ye! Her Majesty the Queen hereby commands the presence of her loyal subjects for an equestrian contention between certain of her Colonial servants domiciled in portions of her kingdoms now known as Australia and certain other outlanders not so fortunate as to be so permanently settled therein, the game to be known by this her decree, as the Royal Polo ~ Australian vs. Expats. Subjects should gather in the grounds of the South Oval as the clock strikes midday on the eighth day of June in the two thousand and seventh year of our lord. Subjects not attired with a hat and sunscreen shall be beheaded. Faithful subjects will be rewarded with canapés and mocktails at conclusion of the Royal Polo. The Royal Polo is held in honour of the celebration of the anniversary of her majesty's illustrious ancestors' birth, which has been an occasion, in times past, to assemble for the purposes of gambolling and sundry other nefarious endeavours, and for the pursuit of frivolity and licentiousness. 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