If it took an hour for 30 pages, I'd suggest trying it without the graphics to see what happens. I just opened an old 36-page FM5.5 document using FM7.1. The document has 15 graphics and is full of numbered headings, tables, TOC etc. and everything converted well except for three of the graphics which did not come across and were no doubt linked graphics rather than embedded ones. The header table also didn't come across as a table but instead converted the table data to text and the header graphic was lost. In any event, it only took about 5 seconds to do the conversion and most elements came across OK and the general text, tables and images were fine. So yes, you have to do a cleanup, but the extent of this will be determined by the styles in the receiving template. Had I set up corresponding styles in the Word template, the conversion would have been better. Also, the poorer the source file, the harder the conversion. Historically though, Hedley is right; for years, it has been safer to convert by saving as .txt, but each successive version of Frame has become better at doing the conversion and I really don't have any problems converting from FM7.1 when in a hurry and where a SMALL amount of bloat is acceptable. There is certainly no 'danger' and I disagree about the memory being 'chewed up' or the crashing issues UNLESS your source contains problems. 'Clean' documents come across reasonably well and the resulting .rtf file is as stable as other Word documents. I haven't tried the Japanese converter so I will take Hedley's word for that. Cheers, Bruce _____ From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of David Petersen Sent: Tuesday, 11 November 2008 2:42 PM To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: atw: Re: FrameMaker to Word conversion Thanks for the various tips. I've just tried Save As - rtf. It did convert it (took nearly an hour for a thirty page document with graphics), but it will need a clean-up. Hedley Finger wrote: Chris Virtue wrote: File > Save as It's as slow as wet week, though and it's pretty rough. Actually, it is not only slow but dangerous if you use either of the Microsoft Word RTF options in FM 7.2 or earlier (don't know about FM8). Takes for ever, memory gets chewed up, output file is suspiciously far larger than it should be, crashes frequent, output RTF won't open ... . The rumour is that Adobe and the developer of the bought-in filter fell out about FM5.5 and that and all subsequent releases have had the same buggy converter. UNLESS you choose the Japanese RTF converter. Then it is fine. The Japanese RTF converter is from a different developer and has always worked reliably. Running heads and feet may not convert or will turn out ... s t r a n g e ... but only because FM's master pages allow multiple graphic and text frames, and the converter may not be able to decide which ones equate to headers and footers. Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger" <mailto:hfinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> <hfinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ************************************************** To view the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field (without quotes). To manage your subscription (e.g., set and unset DIGEST and VACATION modes) go to www.freelists.org/list/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx ************************************************** -- David Petersen Documentation Coordinator Air Systems Thales Australia Thales Australia Centre WTC Northbank Wharf Concourse Level, Siddeley Street Melbourne, VIC 3005 Australia Tel: +61 3 8630 4593 david.petersen@xxxxxxxxxxxxx | www.thalesgroup.com.au DISCLAIMER: This e-mail transmission and any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached to it are private and confidential. They may contain proprietary or copyright material or information that is subject to legal professional privilege. They are for the use of the intended recipient only. Any unauthorised viewing, use, disclosure, copying, alteration, storage or distribution of, or reliance on, this message is strictly prohibited. No part may be reproduced, adapted or transmitted without the written permission of the owner. If you have received this transmission in error, or are not an authorised recipient, please immediately notify the sender by return email, delete this message and all copies from your e-mail system, and destroy any printed copies. Receipt by anyone other than the intended recipient should not be deemed a waiver of any privilege or protection. Thales Australia does not warrant or represent that this e-mail or any documents, files and previous e-mail messages attached are error or virus free.