[AR] Re: Damascus AR Incident

  • From: Peter Fairbrother <zenadsl6186@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: arocket@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 11:56:04 +0000

On 20/01/17 10:08, James Padfield wrote:

My point I think is still valid - that full yield detonation requires
*both* dets to fire simultaneously, and within (probably) microseconds


More like nanoseconds. Shock wave travels in HE at say 6km/s or 6cm in 1


ooops, 6mm in 1us, not 6cm. Sorry.

microsecond. You need the ~6cm pit to be squozen evenly, if one side is
being squoshed 6cm out ..

Actually in a high-performance HE, with 90+ % HMX, shockwave velcoity
is going to be approaching 9 km/s, but now I am digressing too ;-)

I'd guess the shocks should arrive within a good bit less than a mm of each
other - so <15 nS detonation accuracy.

(actually less, but that's another story)

of each other (which is why EBW dets were developed for nukes -
conventional dets just aren't fast enough to detonate within the
required microsecond tolerances).  Anything less than simultaneous
firing of the two dets "merely" scatters plutonium everywhere.  At
least, that is my understanding...

From slightly unreliable memory, there were about 25 US "one-point-safe"
tests, where (speaking loosely) one det was set off just to see what would
happen. About 10 had nuclear yields in the 1-10 ton range, 5 or 6 resulted
in significant nuclear yield, in the 100 tons range, with one result about
500 tons.

Interesting.  I was simplifying things a bit - yes you are right, it
would produce a small scale nuclear yield - I think I was thinking
that in terms of a nuclear weapon, a yield of 10 tons is "merely"
scattering plutonium everywhere.  But no an explosion of the order of
tons of TNT equivalent is a bad thing to happen, notwithstanding the
plutonium (and other nasty materials such as berrylium) that would be
thrown all over the place.

Just a 10 kg nuclear yield is bad - the blast would be survivable at about 15m, thermal effects at about 6m.

However the radiation reaches 1000 rads mixed neutron/gamma (100% lethal) at 80m, and is >median lethal out to 150m or so. People are sickened, and some die, out to 250m.


One of the Los Alamos criticality accidents was said to have heated the core by 4 degrees C - a very small yield indeed - but it still killed the guy.

-- Peter F


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