Mr. Man21 The trims return after you hit the save button because the software is only doing as it's been told. Apparently the distance between the point just before the trim and the one following the trim is too great in length or rather exceeds the length set up in the software under the "trim/lock tab" for the element just prior to the trim. Otherwise the machine is seeing too many jump stitches between the two points and the machines settings are telling the trim knives to trim if the # of consecutive jump stitches in the design exceed what it was set in the "Jump Stitch-Trim" setting - which is usually set at "3". You can find this in Amaya OS software under the heading "Settings", then in the "Settings" tab. (I believe that's the path,.. I'm going from memory). Chances are, it's the first scenario. What's necessary is you should edit the design by moving the "input and exit points" for each element where your unwanted trims appear. Highlight the element just prior to the trim command and take note where the "exit point" on that element is located. Make sure it is somewhere close to an edge of the next element. Now highlight the element just after the trim command and take note where the "input point" is located. It should be roughly close to where the "exit point" for the last element was. This is part of what I call "Pathing". Which is making sure the machine sews in a smooth path without interruptions. The other part of pathing is making sure the elements to be sewn in consecutive order are somewhat close to one another. If they are not, then you could insert either a walk normal, a manual, or a jump stitch between them to connect the two elements. Otherwise, the software will automatically insert a trim for you if your lock/trim settings say to "Insert trim if stitch length is greater than... .025" ". Sure hope this helps. Ed Orantes Amaya, EMT, & EMC Tech. New Orleans, LA 504-258-6260 emservice@xxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of ice_man21 Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 7:33 PM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: unwanted trims The scissors are there. I delete them only to have them return as soon as the file is saved. ice_man21@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ed Orantes Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:54 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: unwanted trims Mr. Ice, Can you actually see the little trim icons (scissors) in the design "tree" when viewing the file in Design Shop? Or are witnessing these trims only as it sews the design on the machine? Ed -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.13.13/197 - Release Date: 12/9/2005