[amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon jacket
- From: "Avalon Embroidery" <avalonembroidery@xxxxxxx>
- To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:38:10 -0800
Re: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon jacket
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Rotter
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 12:44 PM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon jacket
Barbara,
I use the method of "whatever I have around" and "trial and error". I think
the jackets I've done were poly/nylon, or poly/ cotton. blends. I've used
tearaway, cutaway, no backing. I usually use a 75 sharp. Gosh I wish I could
help more. I think sometimes I just have dumb luck..I've had my 4 machines a
year, and just took delivery of 4 more of the XT models. I'm still very new at
embroidery. Good luck, at least the demons seem to only effect the nylon
jackets and not your other jobs..
Cheryl Rotter
Team Sports Ink
5111 Grumann Dr. Ste #1B
Carson City, NV 89706
775-884-3550
-----Original Message-----
From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avalon Embroidery
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:00 AM
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon jacket
Cheryl,
Boy I tell you, what a mystery! Last night we did an ampass test. I think
it is 48 thousand stitches??? Ran perfect.
This morning, We are sewing on cordura. (Patches that are going to be used
on Kevlar sailing bags) With the same exact font I tried to run on the nylon
jackets and it is running beautifully!
The two jackets I need to sew on are hanging in my hall way. I get a bad
vibe every time I walk past them! I think you're right, I think a little
exorcism needs to take place here!
What size needle and backing do you use when you sew on a nylon jacket?
Could this be my problem? Backing and needles?
Barbara
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Rotter
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 10:05 AM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon jacket
Barbara,
I was having nasty thread breaks and the tech discovered a bunch of thread
had wound itself on the spindle and cog wheel behind the thread roller ( in
other words I had to remove the thread roller and look to the back area). I am
just throwing out ideas. You have quite a mystery on your hands, maybe it's the
ghost of Christmas Past...:)
Cheryl Rotter
Team Sports Ink
5111 Grumann Dr. Ste #1B
Carson City, NV 89706
775-884-3550
-----Original Message-----
From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avalon Embroidery
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 6:51 PM
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon jacket
Hi Cheryl
the presser foot was adjusted to the fabric. I just can't figure it out.
I just sewed out the same design on two pieces of backing with no thread
breaks...and then sewed it out on fleece with no problem. But when I sew it on
the nylon jacket its a total disaster. I know it is operator error, I just
can't figure out what I need to do to do it right.
Barbara
Avalon Embroidery
----- Original Message -----
From: Cheryl Rotter
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:53 PM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon jacket
Barbara,
I haven't read all the posts about your problem, but just wanted to ask.
Is your presser foot all the way down?
Cheryl Rotter
Team Sports Ink
5111 Grumann Dr. Ste #1B
Carson City, NV 89706
775-884-3550
-----Original Message-----
From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Avalon Embroidery
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:57 PM
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon jacket
That is what I am going to do....I cannot get through a sew out without
constant thread breaks. It is a nightmare!
Thanks to you and everyone for all your help!
Happy Holidays!
Barbara
Avalon Embroidery
----- Original Message -----
From: Body Cover
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:38 PM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon jacket
I honestly believe it has to do with a timing issue.
like someone mentioned earlier.
I have and I think Aaron has too.
Sewn through metal zippers
and about 10 holes in my plastic hoop side
and not broken standard needles,
so density is an issue but it sounds like more than that.
I might Call Melco and talk to a tech on the phone
and maybe they can check some things out
and find an answer.
Good Luck
Ron Vinyard
Body Cover / Magic Stitches
1-888-435-0176
541-471-1504
fax 471-0427
420 SW H street
Grants Pass, OR 97526
info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.bodycoverdesign.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Avalon Embroidery
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 2:03 PM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon jacket
Well, I guess I still have not solved the problem with a different
font because I am still getting thread breaks and yet another tip broken off my
NEW titanium needles I just got the day before yesterday, but I do think that
density is an issue because the spots where the thread and or needle breaks is
a very dense part of the letter. What a pain the in the you know where. I am
running another font right now and so far so good but I can't even stand to be
in the same room as it sews out! I figure if I walk away and not watch, maybe
things will go better......hey! its done and no thread breaks! maybe I am in
luck! I have only been working on trying to figure this out for 5 hours now!
ugh!
Barbara
Avalon
----- Original Message -----
From: Body Cover
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:35 PM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon jacket
Darn!
I was hoping to here something glaringly wrong!
Sounds good to me.
I know that font sews down some small thin blocks
at the point where certain parts of the letters overlap
to keep the garment from showing through as the
2nd column pulls the threads back from the 1st column
as they overlap, With the block sewn underneath
it pulls back the column still but only shows the sewn
block underneath making the separation not noticeable.
I think they change in fonts is the best choice then once your job
is
done and your hair grows back you can try to decipher what
the answer is.
Good Luck
Ron Vinyard
Body Cover / Magic Stitches
1-888-435-0176
541-471-1504
fax 471-0427
420 SW H street
Grants Pass, OR 97526
info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.bodycoverdesign.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Roland R. Irish III
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:08 PM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon
jacket
I've run into problems before with fonts-at smaller sizes things
do go haywire-its trying to sew too many stitches into one area-around a curve
in the serif, etc.-that give you ulcers. Changing the font as you found helps,
otherwise you have to go in and play with moving stitches, changing auto
density, short stitches, etc. until it works. Okay for large quantity jobs but
when you are only doing 1 or 2 items it's easier to switch fonts and tell the
customer he loves it!
Roland
From: "Avalon Embroidery" <avalonembroidery@xxxxxxx>
Reply-To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 12:36:19 -0800
To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon
jacket
speed was 600......
font density was the default of 4.5..........and I added a bit
of column width (120%)
needles were new 70/10 sharps - (titanium) and I was unable to
go more than one to two letters before all hell broke loose.
Now, I've switched to CooperDak font.....same speed, same
density, same column width, same needles......no problems.
weird.
----- Original Message -----
From: Body Cover <mailto:info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon
jacket
What you haven't told
us was the density you are using on that font
at .4 high?
and what speed is the machine running.
Nylon is very tight and heats up a needle very quickly
making for hot soft needles that bend and break easier.
Let us know.
Ron Vinyard
Body Cover / Magic Stitches
1-888-435-0176
541-471-1504
fax 471-0427
420 SW H street
Grants Pass, OR 97526
info@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
www.bodycoverdesign.com <http://www.bodycoverdesign.com>
----- Original Message -----
From: Avalon Embroidery <mailto:avalonembroidery@xxxxxxx>
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:09 AM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon
jacket
scientific testing is now showing the FONT to be part of the
problem.
using CooperDak .4" letters sewing out RHS
letters........all is well through 6 sewouts on the nylon.
using Full Block .4" letters sewing out RHS.......the
needle just busted on the H. All 4 needle breaks have been when using Full
Block only.
I'm starting to suspect a problem in density in the lettering
of this font.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roland R. Irish III <mailto:signman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 11:11 AM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon
jacket
When we get the 'shredding' we run a fingernail done the needle
in question-and if there is a 'burr' you'll feel your finger tip catch on
it...and that means your needle is hitting on something-either off center and
hitting the needle plate, or your jacket is hanging off the table and pulled
the hoop as the needle went through-and the needle hit the plate. Or someone
repositioned the jacket as it was sewing or (I've done this) accidentally hit
the hoop arm bending over to get something...
doesn't take much at all to make that needle go sidewise, just
a hair and it will hit the plate underneath and cause a 'burr' when the tip
bends a little. That's what catches and unravels the thread but it keeps on
sewing....
Roland
From: "Avalon Embroidery" <avalonembroidery@xxxxxxx>
Reply-To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:43:09 -0800
To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon
jacket
Judy
I'm getting "partial" shredding breaks......where it appears
the inner core of the thread usually stays intact, but the outer "shell" gets
all knotted up in the needle case area...
----- Original Message -----
From: OnleeJudy@xxxxxxx
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 10:31 AM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles and thread breaks on nylon
jacket
Hi there. A couple of things to try...more backing, as nylon
is very light, and sew slow....and depending on the type of thread breaks
(clean breaks or shredding breaks), check needle alignment, and add or subtract
MT.
BEST WISHES!
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