[amayausers] Re: needles
- From: "Lee or Terri Hoover" <lhoover2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 16:07:56 -0600
Jeff,
Thanks so much for the info. I don't really remember in training it being
stressed that the Amaya is really "tuned" with the Organ needle. A little
suggestion - have it emphasized and why in training. I bought several $$$
worth of non Organ brand needles from Melco mart to use on the Amaya. I
guess that is money down the drain. Thanks again.
Terri
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[mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Banks
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 3:18 PM
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Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles
Barbara,
I am going to jump in here so you do not make a mistake and order needles
you should not use.
First, the Amaya machine is designed and adjusted around the use of Organ
needles. Not all needles are the same. They differ between manufactures and
between types from the same manufactures. A Gross Beckert will be different
than an Organ needle in the distances between the eye and tip of the needle,
the eye and scarf etc. Unless the machine is readjusted to the Gross Beckert
needle to optimize hook gaps and needle depths, you can have problems.
Second, I believe Organ does not make the light ball, or medium ball. They
make only a BP or ball point. So, in applications where a ball point of any
kind is suggested, I would use a normal ball point or BP in the Organ brand.
Now, with that said, a light ball is going to be very close to a sharp, so
probably either could be used. I can tell you this, I have used Sharps on
knits with the density set as low as possible so I still get good coverage,
and it does a fine job without cutting the fibers. This was done in testing
only to see the effects of the different types of needles on different
garments and using a design that had been optimized with as low a density as
possible and still get good results. Good backing was used as well. At the
least 2 pieces of medium cut away.
What is suggested on the Amaya machines is Organ needles unless the machine
is adjusted to a different needle manufacturer. It is also recommended to
use DBX K5 needles. The DBX K5 designates that it has the larger eye that is
specifically made for commercial embroidery machines using the standard 40
weight embroidery thread. The larger eye lets the thread pass through the
needle easier with less friction. In the higher speeds the Amaya machine is
capable of, this is very desirable. This also makes the number of different
types of needles you should stock easier. 2 types to stock, ball points and
sharps and a couple different sizes.
Generally, most sewing will be done with a 75/11 or a 70/10 needle. The
smaller the numbers, the smaller or thinner the needle is in diameter. Where
you have small lettering, a 65/9 should be used, but it should also be used
with a 50 or 60 weight thread. In most cases using a 65/9 needle with the
standard 40 weight embroidery thread will cause increased thread breaks due
to the smaller eye and too much friction of the thread moving through the
eye of the needle. The difference using a 65/9 needle with the thinner
thread is truly amazing and most definitely worth the time and trouble to do
so when doing lettering .20" and smaller. One problem with doing small
letters on Pique or Fleece etc. is the that the stitches are going to sink
into the garment and be lost or cause uneven tensions when sewing which will
also cause thread breaks. Topping of some kind (usually solvy) should be
used and underlay in the letters (usually at least added center walk) to
help hold the column stitches above the material. Another trick is to sew
the letters on top of a fill that is sewn first. If a box in a different
color is not desired in the design, then a box of a fill using thread the
same color as the garment can be used and it is less noticeable. This trick
is sometimes referred to in articles or books as the "magic box". Look at
the Lands End website and the shirts they have on their site with embroidery
on the chests. I think you will see that most of them use this technique.
Jeff Banks
Melco Embroidery Systems
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From: "Avalon Embroidery & Apparel" <avalonembroidery@xxxxxxx>
To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 1:13 PM
Subject: [amayausers] Re: needles
HI Ed!
so, how do you you know what your getting when you order needles? For
example on the melco web site all the ball point needles are listed just as
that...ball point. not light ball. I have an info sheet that tells what
type of backing and needles to use on different types of fabric. Almost all
suggest a "light ball point needle"
Let me ask you this. What needle runs best on the amaya...for the majority
of the fabric that is sewn on...such as pique...fleece... denim..or
cotton..75/11 ball point I am guessing? I have had designs with small
lettering and tried to use a smaller needle to get the lettering look nicer
(70/10 sharp) and ended up with tons of thread breaks. Would I have been
better off with a 70/10 ball point or even a 65/9 ball point?
Barbara
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