Sandra, I would switch to a sharp needle, in addition to Roland's suggestions. Cheryl Rotter Team Sports Ink 5111 Grumann Dr. Ste #1B Carson City, NV 89706 775-884-3550 -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roland R. Irish III Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:08 PM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Re: messy letters on terry towels Hi Sandra.... you are doing pretty much all you can do... my suggestions: if at all possible, convince the customer that the terrycloth towels is like trying to sew on a plate of noodles...some of them are just going to escape and not much you can do about it! Okay, they laughed at you. If possible, do a background fill-outline the entire area you are going to sew on-in Design shop do a manual 'stitch' right up close around the lettering, then convert to fill and do a very wide open fill-set your fill more as an underlayment and do it in the same color thread as the towel itself. Then sew your lettering on top of that and most of it will disappear if you do it right. Or, if you have some to test on-keep increasing the density and make the stitches shorter-get down to 3.6, 20 point stitch or so-with an underlayment of 25 point stitch, centerline and 80 % letter width. What you are trying to do is to tie down all those loose pile loops of the towel and get a smooth surface for your stitching to land (and stay) on top of. Last christmas we did a couple 'golf towels' for one woman-only 2 of them I think-and I actually ended up sewing the design twice-right on top of itself-instead of wasting time rebuilding the design. It was some clipart from the Dakota book and one word underneath-so instead of spending a half hour redigitizing and testing, I just sewed it and repeated. Came out great and she loved it! But for a quantity order- that would way increase your stitch count. You might also double up on the solvy and see if that helps hold it down. good luck-all else fails, turn the towel over and sew on the back of it! Roland