One reason the 'trace' is larger-is to allow space for that 'foot' behind the needle-look at it-there is a 'bend' in it-and if you get too close to the hoop edge (for the regular hoops, not the fast frame) that bar will whack up against the hoop....not only damaging the hoop edge (yup, did it) but also the bar hitting prevents the hoop from moving 'just that last little umph' needed to finish a letter. I found out by mistake using a 5" instead of a 7" hoop. The design ON THE SCREEN fit in the hoop, but if I had done a trace I would have seen it stop right at the last letter where I needed that little 'umpf' of space. Taught me to ALWAYS trace design and trust it to tell me when I need to shrink the design a little. Not worth 'pushing' the machine to potential damage! Roland From: "For Heaven's Sake Embroidery" <for_heavens_sake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Reply-To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 15:38:41 -0400 To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [amayausers] Re: fast frame question It is pretty small, but what may really be your problem ( I know it has been mine) is the tracing. The design traces out a tad larger, quicker, et al than the stitched one will. I¹ve taken to printing the design out, cutting it out and then laying it on the spot to see if it will fit. I then jog my machine around to see any potential problems. It¹s a pain, but easier than pulling out stitches on something that messes up.