This message was posted by Bill C @ Fineline on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/703.html#000009 I have watched Herbs video, but when I hoop a low profile cap with the strap as tight as I can get it, then push the bill in to hook the holder it pushes the cap off the teeth. Hooped one without backing to see where the teeth would grab. The teeth were only on the sweat band and the strap teeth were not contacting the hoop teeth. 1/8" doesn't seam enough to grap the cap. You say do not bend the bill back,only straighting it, then the cap does not get close to the teeth. If someone that is close in Illinois that can hoop them in a productive way, I would like to see them do it. Thanks, Bill =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================