This message was posted by debndukes on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/703.html#000001 Actually, I just dismantled the hoop. I removed the "tab" that holds the bill of the hat straight up, before you slide the holder onto it and that seems to let the hat shift back just far enough that it hoops very firmly then I just slide the holder stright down without bending the bill for added hold. I'll keep you updated.... =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================