This message was posted by signman on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/1/703.html#000014 Laurie, we use nothing but the CCF hoops, with the (expensive for what you get) 'brim holder attachment'. (nothing but a mini bungee cord!) But it works...we have one of the WACF hoops around and one of these days I'm going to try a visor on it-cannot load a visor on a CCF hoop and get anymore than 1/2" of sewing area. So if you can't get the WACF to work, try a CCF! and watch the video...it does work! =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================