This message was posted by KNC Designs on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/397.html#000002 No I have not done any yet. I got some old G.M. mats out of the parts dept. where I work but they had the little rubber tiddies on the back I passed on those but looks like the Loyd's brand has a smooth back.I just have been not been able to get any of these to practice on. Curtis =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================