LuAnn, I have always had good luck with poly-web next to the shirt and a 2.5oz or 3 oz washaway/tearaway under that. Just tear off the one and trim the poly. Jo Just Sew It Custom Embroidery Delta, Colorado <www.justsewitllc.com> 970-874-7899 =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================