Gordon, Does MS updating one particular part of their operating system mean that every other bit gets updated? No of course it doesn't. The same I would have thought applies to the Mac. Just because Apple updates the word processing bit doesn't necessarily mean that they will have ensured its workable with their inbuilt screentreader. They should, but this was one of the things I am asking about and it sounds as if we're going to need to wait and see. But I'm intrigued, how do you get on with ITunes? What about the browser in the Mac? I'm glad your happy with your Mac (smile) Since I'm doing a PhD I'm not really in a position to make the migration always assuming that I can do everything on the Mac that I can currently do using XP and WE. Best yusuf----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Keen" <gordonkeen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: "Gordon Keen" <gordonkeen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:55 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Apple VS Windows
Here's an example, leopard came out in November - right? Before the end of November the operating system was upgraded to add functionality to itunes, would microsoft have responded so quickly? You seem to think that having the screen reader built in to the operating system is a bad-thing? However IMHO this ensures that whenever the O.S. is upgraded the software house has to, absolutely has to, ensure the screen reader works with the upgrade on the day the upgrade is rolled out. Does this happen when microsoft rolls out an upgrade or patch? I Don't think so! But look, this is a matter of choice, if you want to stick with a buggy, security flawed system and have to pay each time someone discovers yet another glitch that has to have another iteration of the screen reader - well that's fine with me but I will be sticking with my choice ta everso. Smile Cheers G From glorious Devon, England. On 10 Dec 2007, at 19:29, Yusuf wrote:I've changed the subject to reflect where this topic seems to be going. Before I'd consider changing from Windows to an Apple I'd have to be convinced of the following. 1. Apples commitment to continued support of their Screenreader. Yes its got one now but how often will it be upgraded, how significant is the Screenreader side of things in terms of the overall development of the operating system? I mean will the Screenreader be given the sort of priority that VIP users need or will it get pushed below other things like better graphical support etc. At least the way things are at the moment with Windows based PCs I know that Jaws, Window Eyes, Hal etc are going to be upgraded. 2. I have to be convinced that everything I can do at the moment whether its simple things like moving files, reading email etc or accessing complex web pages, creating documents in word with neumerous footnotes, headings etc, can be done by a Blind user using the Mac and its Screenreader. Just on something that someone else said. Personally, I'd prefer Microsoft to stay out of the Screenreader business. Partly because they should concentrate on their operating system and partly because I'm concerned that if Microsoft implemented a Screenreader into the operating system the Screenreader manufacturers would quicly go out of business and we'd be left with one dominant Screenreader player. Yusuf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ankers, Dave (UK)" <Dave.Ankers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: Preventing malware?Derek, Derek, I think "DOS" perfectly describes what the programmers at Microsoft do all day! considering how "Popular" windows is, I would have thought they would have made it fully accessible by now without the need for adding expensive software like JAWS. It is a fact that most people who use Apple Macs, swear by them, unlike the rest of us, that swear at Microsoft! Dave Dave says "Reliable, easy to use!! I hope you aren't referring to Windows and JAWS!!" Would you want to turn clock back to the days of DOS? Oh I miss the "bat" files. Remember how we could create a file, that would then do a number of commands automatically. 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