[access-uk] Re: Access to DAB info
- From: <alex.thynne@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2007 08:05:34 -0000
Jackie
I like your phrase getting their nib in. But then again, perhaps RNIB
stands for really not interested in blind people.
Alex
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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf
Of Jackie Cairns
Sent: 04 December 2007 10:27
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Access to DAB info
I reckon our good friends at the RNIB have killed some project proposals.
Whenever they get their nib in, you can bet there's a flop somewhere. Sorry
for the cynicism but that's me.
Jackie
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2007 10:22 AM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Access to DAB info
> Regarding not having the display info read, on DAB, I share the same
> frustration. Many a time I would like easy access to what's being
> played on The Jazz or The Arrow, for example.
>
> I fear the best we might hope for is that somewhere along the line
> Wireless for the Blind Fund will get Roberts to make a set that does
> this. They've been promising a box called the Concerto for some time
> now which it is said will play MP3 CDs, as well as recordings carried
> on USB sticks. I've heard nothing though suggesting they're
> interested in
> including accessible DAB in the design.
>
> Wonder if anyone here knows what's happening or is this another case
> of another charity not sharing the knowledge?
>
> It is all a great shame when you feel as I do that commitment of funds
> and even mandating of accessibility in digital equipment should be on
> someone's agenda. Before the digital onslaught we could get by of
> course, with cassettes and analogue radio; now, unless we decide to
> go the computer root so much equipment is a no go area. I'm not
> convinced it has to be this way, but no one seems to give aproverbial
> dam about it.
>
> (Thanks for the change of subject line, even if I've moved around it a
> bit.)
>
> Cheers,
>
> From Ray
> I can be contacted off-list at:
> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Jackie Cairns
>
>
> Hi Ray
>
> I've adjusted the subject line to suit this topic more aptly as you
> hinted
> (smile).
>
> I think it's a great pity that Pure, and anyone studying what they did
> with
> the Sonus, didn't take it further. The voices are very good, my
> preference
> being Mr Sonus, and I think they could have done a lot more with their
> more
> integrated hi-fi systems where menu access is crucial and only got at
> by
> cycling through various modes. While I'm not a lover of their
> products,
> apart from the little Move radio which I think is ace, I thought they
> had
> tapped into a market that I would have expected to be warmly received.
>
> It's not as if the Sonus was particularly over-priced anyway compared
> to say
> the Dualit, which is expensive but oh so superior anyway.
>
> Having used radio all my life, it's not that I want it to tell me
> every move
> I make. I just feel that there is a lot of info on the display that
> I'd
> like to tap into, like song names and artists, and some of the menu
> functions.
>
> Oh well, a golden opportunity missed perhaps?
>
> Jackie
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 10:40 PM
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.
>
>
>> Jackie, I'm sure I've heard that, indeed, Pure aren't going to
> update
>> the Sonus. Not only that, but they were disappointed at the low
>> take-up of the Sonus. The same happened I believe with the Netgem
>> Box.
>>
>> I think It isn't just the limitations of the audio tagging idea in
>> these products; it's as much to do with few of us wanting to pay
> any
>> sort of premium for an accessible product even though that premium
> is
>> nothing like the stratospheric realms of the Portset. The idea that
>> RNIB and others had of a market willing and ready to buy just didn't
>> hold water.
>>
>> Not that things couldn't have been done differently, and an overlap
>> with the in-car market for this sort of talking DAB product does
> look
>> like a missed opportunity .
>>
>> What chance of the parallel idea of an interface to take, say, an SD
>> card add-on? Yes, I know these card formats like so many things
>> change, but then so do the product lines of Pure and their likes. I
>> do think this idea should be a goer, but where's the impetus for
>> funding development of some sort of standard?
>>
>> Oh, and what's so wrong with changing the subject lines of threads
>> like this? As so often, we've drifted considerably.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> From Ray
>> I can be contacted off-list at:
>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> Jackie Cairns
>>
>> Chris, yes I know it does. But that drives me up the wall because
> by
>> the
>> time you've got it to spell a line of text, the display has changed.
>> I
>> don't think Pure are going to do anything else to that radio, which
> is
>> a
>> pity. Like all things that use a tagging system, they outdate very
>> quickly.
>>
>> Jackie
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 8:50 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.
>>
>>
>>> Hi, the Pure Sonus 1 XT does, but only by pressing and holding the
>> info
>>> button, and only then the recorded voice will spell out the text
>> rather
>>> than read it word by word. Wish they'd improve on that, but there
>> you go.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 1:20 PM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi Wendy
>>>>
>>>> The Netgem box no longer provides accurate channel names of some
>>>> stations. This is because it was originally tagged to speak
> certain
>>>> channel names, and updates have caused its tagging system to go
>>>> out-of-date. But since I don't watch much TV other than news and
>> sport,
>>>> it doesn't affect me.
>>>>
>>>> I am curious to know, however, whether the Media Centre from
>> Portset you
>>>> mention you have lets you find out the name of a song on a DAB
>> station
>>>> using the text system. Lots of stations now show the names of the
>> track
>>>> they are playing, and I wonder if you can find out that info on
> the
>>>> Centre?
>>>>
>>>> Jackie
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Wendy Sharpe" <w.sharpe@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 12:53 PM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I think there were some dots in the URL which should be slashes.
>> Try:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.tvhelp.org.uk/audes/equipment/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>> This gives details of TV's with audio description and the Logic
>> and
>>>>> Portset
>>>>> equipment. The Logic is very cheap from Curries, but it doesn't
>> talk,
>>>>> so
>>>>> not much use to anyone who can't see the screen. A pity Netgem
>> have
>>>>> stopped
>>>>> making their set top box.
>>>>> Wendy
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> David W Wood
>>>>> Sent: 02 December 2007 12:46
>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Gordon:
>>>>>
>>>>> The full URL doesn't work, with an audio error message from the
>> page.
>>>>> Also saying something about one colour to go back, and another
>> continue.
>>>>>
>>>>> www.tvhelp.org.uk/audes does work however.
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
>> Behalf
>>>>> Of
>>>>> Gordon Keen
>>>>> Sent: 02 December 2007 12:38
>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Cc: Gordon Keen
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.
>>>>>
>>>>> Strange, safari went straight to it and I've just browsed through
>> the
>>>>> models available.
>>>>> World wide weirdness!
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> G
>>>>> From glorious Devon, England.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 Dec 2007, at 12:26, David W Wood wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Gordon - this link gives:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This page is not available
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>>> Gordon Keen
>>>>>> Sent: 02 December 2007 12:16
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Cc: Gordon Keen
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Portset.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>> For alternatives check out:
>>>>>> http://www.tvhelp.org.uk/audes/equipment.index.html
>>>>>> Hopefully competition will force down prices in the not too
>> distant
>>>>>> future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>> G
>>>>>> From glorious Devon, England.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2 Dec 2007, at 11:03, Jackie Cairns wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My only comment, and please feel free to jump on me if you want
>>>>>> folks (though not literally) (smile), is that it's a rip-off for
>>>>>> £620 or
>>>>>> whatever it costs. I know it speaks, but £620 for that? Phew!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I loved their Talking Teletext unit when I had mine, but that
> was
>>>>>> when there wasn't so much information available elsewhere.
>> Certain
>>>>>> Freeview
>>>>>> boxes, while they don't provide speech navigation, do offer
> Audio
>>>>>> Description, and there are also lots of DAISY players on the
>> market
>>>>>> to tap
>>>>>> into. I just think it's well OTT.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jackie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: sue morgan <mailto:sue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 12:35 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Portset.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi list.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been reading about the Portset Accessible Freeview
>>>>>> Receiver and I'm quite interested in it. I'm wondering if
> anyone
>> on
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> list has one, or knows anything about them. I've listened to
> the
>>>>>> audio demo
>>>>>> on the Portset website and it seems very accessible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any feedback would be grate as I'd love to have an
>>>>>> accessible freeview receiver.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sue.
>>>>>> e-mail sue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> mobile 07968825286
>>>>>> msn sue@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>> skype suemorgan1006
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gordon Keen
>>>>>> gordonkeen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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