[access-uk] Re: A Braille question about round and square brackets

  • From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 21:49:33 +0100

Iain, that sounds familiar now you mention it. And what are they now? About £300 or something? Still an essential in my book though!
But having just read through my final set of practice exam papers again, I'm breathing a huge sigh of relief to see that I got my brackets the right way round. Phew! (smiles.) It's been very interesting to do this, but the marking is exceptionally stringent, so I'm constantly having to check and double or tripple check every dot. 

Jackie

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Mine was £14, including the hard case.

Iain.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx> 
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I got mine at the age of six, so it's 40 this year.  And I'm taking it to
the exam with me.  Funny how they are worth so much more these days.  I
think my mum and dad paid a couple of quid for it back then.

Jackie

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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If it had been in the sighted world, the Perkins Brailler would be deemed
a
design classic. Mine is still going strong after 38 years.

Iain
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:54 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: A Braille question about round and square
brackets


Hi Ray

I've seen these square brackets, of course, but didn't know they were
titled
square brackets, if you get my drift.

For the practice papers and exam, you have three papers to do, a
comprehension, a transcription from print to Braille, and a spontaneous
piece of writing.  You have to pass at least two sets of the three
practice
papers in order to sit the final exam.  So far, it's going well, but I
want
to get it all as right as I possibly can for my own interest and
achievement.  When it comes to the transcription from print to Braille, I
do
that with audio. I'm still using my Perkins Brailler of 40 years ago, and 
wouldn't have it any other way. (smile.)

Oh well, on we go then!

Jackie

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 6:26 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: A Braille question about round and square
brackets



Yes, well if you're doing Braille transcription at this level then there
are going to be customers to whom it matters.

I recall now that when I was studying and reading quite a lot, some
quoteations in the text often had these square brackets with dots
between them.  Other than indicating that something had been ommited or
edited out of the text, i never did know whether the presence of square
brackets had some deeper significance.

Cheers,

From Ray
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-----Original Message-----
Jackie Cairns
Subject: [access-uk] Re: A Braille question about round and square
brackets


Hi Ray

I don't doubt it at all mate.  I was just confused by which was which.
You
get penalised which is important in the context of the final exam.

Jackie

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: A Braille question about round and square
brackets



Jackie, this mightn't add much of great use to the discussion, but

round

and square brackets are certainly idfferent things in the visual

world,

and not just in appearance.  They're used to denote certain states or
conditions in mathematical formulae and I think programming too.  I'll
leave someone who knows what's what to explain what the difference is,
but the distinction is made for a purpose.

From Ray
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-----Original Message-----

Jackie Cairns
Subject: [access-uk] A Braille question about round and square

brackets



Re-posting this as it bounced back with a permanent administration
failure message for some strange reason!

Hi George

Thanks for clarifying the distinction between round and square, which

is

now clear.  But without being pedantic, since this is very important

in

the context of the exam and practice papers I'm doing, you use dot 6

and

lower G to open a square, and lower G followed by dot 3 to close, not
dot 6 as you said.  At least this is the info the Primer gives.  What
wasn't clear to me was the distinction between round and square
brackets.  Personally, a bracket is a bracket to me, but not so in
modern Braille. (smile.)

Cheers mate.

Jackie

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----- Original Message -----
From: George Bell
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 5:05 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: A Braille question about round and square
brackets


Hi Jackie,

Left Square Bracket = Dot 6 lower g
Right Square Bracket = Lower G dot 6.

Normal (Round) brackets = lower g either side.

George.

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Subject: [access-uk] A Braille question about round and square

brackets


Hi Listers

Could someone with a good working knowledge of modern Braille please
tell me what the difference is between round and square brackets?  I
know it is the lower G, or dots 2 3 5 6.  But, these days, there is

the

infuriating necessity to have to use a dot 6 before the open bracket,
then the dot 3 at the end of the bracket.  But do you use these
additional dot 6 and dot 3 distinctions for round or square brackets?
The Primer I have doesn't exactly make some things crystal clear.

I'm doing the BTEC Advanced certificate in grade 2 English Braille,

and

just need to clarify this for myself as I'm a bit confused to be

honest.


Thanks.

Jackie


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