When I was working in Portland a co worker would pick me up on Main Street to
go to work.
He drove up without lights. I asked him why he didn’t have his lights on?
His answer astounded me, he said, I can see.
I said nothing as I was getting a free ride to work.
From: wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> On Behalf Of
Dennis Marrotte ("marrottr")
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 2:01 PM
To: carsonlwood@xxxxxxxxxxx; wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [wsmac] Re: Walk signals and green left turn arrows
Hello Carson.
Mechanic Street and WCD . I will take a gander too.
My longtime pet peeve has been Drivers rolling along in Fog - Rain - Twilight -
Snow - without ANY Lights turned ON. That is Dangerous for BOTH the Driver and
for Pedestrians. Add a little BLACK ICE TO THAT MIX - LOOK OUT !!!
Dennis
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From: Carson Wood <carsonlwood@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:carsonlwood@xxxxxxxxxxx> >
To: wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tue, Dec 7, 2021 1:50 pm
Subject: [wsmac] Re: Walk signals and green left turn arrows
There must be a green light phase without the left turn arrow.
I would hope the audible signal, if it is working, only comes on when there
is a straight green light without the arrow.
I have not studied the intersection to determine this.
If there is a straight green light, that should be the only time a walk
light should light.
Of course if there is not a designated left turn lane then left turns are
legal at any time there is a green light.
John did the best thing possible by staring down the driver other then
waiting for less crazy drivers. This time may not exist.
From: wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On Behalf Of
Dennis Marrotte
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 6:53 AM
To: wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [wsmac] Re: Walk signals and green left turn arrows
Carson, Good Morning:
Its early in the Morning to answer your question - but that is a Very Critical
Question. I can not answer for John.
Thank You
Dennis
On Tue, Dec 7, 2021, 5:37 AM Carson Wood <carsonlwood@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:carsonlwood@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:
Was that audible signal telling you to cross?
From: wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wsmac-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > On Behalf Of
John Brooking
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2021 8:35 PM
To: wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:wsmac@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [wsmac] Walk signals and green left turn arrows
I'm really beginning to be of the strong opinion that pedestrians should
*never* be given a walk signal at the same time that parallel car traffic has a
green left turn arrow. This is the situation we've discussed many times at
Hannaford Drive. Today I had someone almost not stop for me at William Clark
Drive and Mechanic Street, in the same kind of situation. I had the walk
signal, crossing WCD from the neighborhood side towards Main Street, and in
this case the driver was coming towards me from Mechanic Street, turning left
across the crosswalk. No reason they shouldn't have seen me, it was daylight
(though cloudy and misty), and there was no other traffic between them and me.
Yet I had to stop and hold out my arm and stare them down to make sure they saw
me, and eventually they did. (And I was even using a crutch because of a knee
injury last week!)
I think the problem is simply that the left green arrow makes it too easy for
drivers to assume they have the all clear, and don't have to look out for
anything. It's a lack of awareness and thought. I'm not optimistic that this is
a fixable behavior, short of just not placing the both of them in that
situation in the first place.
