--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Sean Wilson <whoooo26505@...> wrote: > > (reply to Josh) (not sure exactly what it is a reply to) > One is never to ask what a word means. One only asks what is the brain doing > with it? Very frequently what the brain is doing with it *is* following a simple look-up convention for meaning, just because it is not "always" does not make it "never". > Here is what I want to say: grammar is the processing language the brain > learns to make sense of ordinary language. There is a sub-surface system of > processing that is going on. > > > Wittgenstein: > > "It seems that there are CERTAIN DEFINITE mental processes bound up with the > working of language, processes through which alone language can function. I > mean that processes of understanding and meaning. The signs of our language > seem dead without these mental processes: and it might seem that the only > function of the signs is to induce such processes, and that these are the > things we ought really to be interested in. [BB, p. 3] (See also, PI, sect. > 358). [note: allcaps used in place of italics sw] And Turing, and the computational and cognitivist camps, have been detailing those certain definite processes ever since. If these camps have made errors, it was only in assuming the answer was narrow, indeed they may make just the kinds of errors Wittgenstein warned us to avoid. A computationalist essentialism is no better than a non-computationalist essentialism. The problem does dissolve, I think, and terms like "certain definite mental processes" are just the kind of misleading language that needs to be dissolved. They are not certain, because they are multiply realizable - what is meant is more like "particular". They are not definite, because they are not cannonical, by Wittgenstein's own guidance. They are not "mental" because "mental" is not an explanatory category. And it is not a "process" because that word connotes a closed system, rather than the embeddedness of anything we are going to recognize as a thinking being. Josh ========================================= Manage Your AMR subscription: //www.freelists.org/list/wittrsamr For all your Wittrs needs: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/