... yes Stuart, that is getting very close now! In fact I am inclined to say "nice catch." I am in no way telling people how to speak or saying that our language is deficient -- for it surely is not. As Pinker (through Chomsky) notes, we have a language instinct. And I am in no way trying to sort out some form of logic that tells people what is valid to say and what is not valid to say (or what logic dictates they have said). All I am doing is letting people speak, picking out the sense, reflecting upon its implications -- as any good Wittgensteinian would do -- and then finding a better way to notate the differences in the cognition involved both within and across sense. I want to say this: I am an accident reconstructionist in the language game. The labor I am offering is like some sort of accountancy. When I am done, one could say: (a) here is the structure of the sentence; (b) here is the logic of the statements; and (c) here is the script of the language. Regards and thanks ========================================== Manage Your AMR subscription: //www.freelists.org/list/wittrsamr For all your Wittrs needs: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/