[Wittrs] The Self-Refuting Argument
- From: Joseph Polanik <jpolanik@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: wittrsamr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2009 07:23:13 -0500
Cayuse wrote:
>Joseph Polanik wrote:
>>Cayuse wrote:
>>>any postulate regarding what might or might not lie "beyond" the
>>>immediate data of experience is itself an aspect of the immediate
>>>data of experience. Also ... any consciousness postulated to be
>>>associated with a specific object within the immediate data of
>>>experience is not itself an aspect of the immediate data of
>>>experience
>Any claim for metaphysical solipsism is a claim to know that there is
>nothing beyond the immediate data of experience, and my argument is
>that such a claim is unsupportable.
the question is whether or not you reject solipsism *despite* being
unable to prove that it is false as a matter of logical necessity.
>Since conscious experience does not appear as a process or as
>an object *within* conscious experience (i.e. within Nagel's "what it
>is like"), the idea that there are other consciousnesses is a product
>of the imagination rather than a matter of immediate experience.
you are avoiding the question.
the postulate (that there are other consciousnesses outside the data of
immediate experience) is itself experienced; and, the postulate (that
there are no other consciousnesses outside the data of immediate
experience) is itself experienced.
so, what?
the point is that virtually everyone on the planet makes one of these
postulates.
I accept the first postulate as true even though it is a metaphenomenal
claim; namely, that there are other consciousness besides me in the
world.
the question is whether you make one of these two postulates; and, if
so, which one.
are you alone in the universe or not?
Joe
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