--- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "SWM" <SWMirsky@...> wrote: > Is the changing itself an entity? Of course not. But it's real > AND it's physical no less than the thing that has turned. "Changing" isn't physical. "Changing" is a our concept for what is happening in the physical realm. But now I see why you want to call it "physical" because you need a category for something real, physical, and yet not tangible. Well, how about the physical forces. Is consciousness something like the strong force that keeps a atom together? We posit such forces to explain what happens in cyclotron. We posit consciousness to explain how a human being behaves. Now, if consciousness is comparable to a physical force, consciousness ought to work according to the laws of physics. Which is to say, without intention or purpose. Are you comfortable with that? bruce ========================================= Need Something? Check here: http://ludwig.squarespace.com/wittrslinks/