[Wittrs] Constituting Subjectivity
- From: Joseph Polanik <jpolanik@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: wittrsamr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 17 May 2010 21:35:34 -0400
SWM wrote:
>Joseph Polanik wrote:
>>SWM wrote:
>>>Joseph Polanik wrote:
>>>>it is true that not every arrangement of atoms constitutes
>>>>liquidity; but, simulating molecular motion with syntactical
>>>>operations doesn't ever constitute liquidity.
>>>Of course but we're not talking about constituting liquidity but
>>>constituting subjectivity.
>>are you talking about constituting subjectivity from constituents that
>>experience subjectivity on their own?
>No.
>The molecules of water aren't wet but in the aggregate, under certain
>ambient conditions, when behaving in a certain way AND observed at our
>level or operation, wetness is encountered by creatures like us. The
>point is that the individual processes going on in the brain (or the
>computer, if computers are viable substitutes for brains) aren't
>conscious (don't experience subjectivity) but that, when aggregated
>together in a certain way, under certain conditions subjectivity
>(including an experiencer experiencing it) occurs. This is what it
>means to call this a system level feature. It is not found in the
>constituents (below the level of the system in question) but only at
>the level of all the constituents working together, doing their part.
okay; but, isn't that just what you have called irreducibility?
Joe
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