[wisb] Re: FW: Re: Too Many Christmas Bird Count Circles?
- From: David Freriks <dhfreriks@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 19:57:58 -0600
With my work schedule I don't know if I will have to work or will be up
here or in down in Ohio more than a few days in advance. Impossible for me
to promise participation in advance. I'd love to help if I can, but it
would have to be a last minute thing if my schedule allows. Any counts that
would be happy to get help that way are welcome to email me or post to the
list.
Dave Freriks
S. Ohio / Saukville, WI
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Kevin Kearns <dkkearns@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Think Brian hit the wrong reply button :)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Hansen [mailto:rawshooter@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:10 PM
> To: dkkearns@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: [Wisb]
> Subject: Re: [wisb] Re: Too Many Christmas Bird Count Circles?
>
>
> Sorry if this was mentioned but I didn't have time to read all the
> responses.
>
> I notice that a lot of counts are on Saturdays. Granted this year the
> holidays fall on Sunday but even in the last few years, Saturdays seem
> to be the predominant count day. I would love to do more counts but
> unfortunately work on Saturdays and don't think I'm alone. Is it that
> hard to get people to do them on Sundays? Packer games, church?? I
> see all these requests and would like to help but it won't happen on a
> Saturday at least for me.
>
> Brian Hansen
> Milwaukee - east side
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Kevin Kearns <dkkearns@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > While I do agree that 15-17 parties is more than enough coverage for an
> > entire circle to be more than adequately covered, I would greatly and
> > wholeheartedly disagree with the idea of spreading out the rich counts.
> Heck
> > NO!!!! Put the counts that Chris lists on the First Saturday of the count
> > period and let all the others benefit from the lack of the competition
> > throughout the rest of the count period. As someone who struggled to get
> > participants for a couple counts myself, I know I was always jealous of
> the
> > apparent ease that the cities had in gathering enough people.
> >
> > I do not agree with the idea of canceling some counts because they don't
> > measure up, each has it's own unique benefit (well, maybe not Seymour
> which
> > I ran for a couple years......), but unlike some, I will respectfully
> > disagree with you.
> >
> > Kevin Kearns
> > Lake Mills, Wi
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wisbirdn-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:wisbirdn-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Chris West
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 3:22 PM
> > To: harrierhawk1@xxxxxxxxx; [Wisb]
> > Subject: [wisb] Re: Too Many Christmas Bird Count Circles?
> >
> >
> > Andrea,
> > I'm sorry, but what you are talking about makes no sense whatsoever. If
> you
> > were to "decommision" so to speak any counts that were "substandard"
> (which
> > appears to be any count with less than 10 field parties) you would have
> to
> > discontinue almost all of the CBCs in the state. Even the small CBCs
> > contribute valuable data over many years time if the same sections are
> > covered each year.
> > I don't know what you're talking about when you're complaining about not
> > being able to cover your count circle adequately. You said you have 15-17
> > field parties covering your CBC. I compile two CBCs and I wouldn't know
> > what to do with that many people!! The sections would be so small that
> your
> > entire circle could be counted before noon!
> > I have a better idea. Instead of complaining about missing 3 Juncos just
> > because you didn't have another person to count that 12 X 12 ft patch,
> why
> > don't you send half of your counters over to this side of the state and
> help
> > fill out those count circles that are "substandard" and make them more
> > "standardized"!
> >
> > I think you'll find that only the Milwaukee counts, Madison, Appleton,
> Green
> > Bay and maybe La Crosse or Wausau will have more than 6 field parties.
> For
> > most of the counts in the state, you'll find that we're all begging for
> > help, time and time again with no answer. I know that's the case over
> here.
> >
> > I currently have 3 field parties (including myself) to cover the Retreat
> CBC
> > (which btw totaled over 100 species last year between 5 people, rivaling
> > Madison) and it's one of the better CBCs in this area!
> >
> > As for the Columbus CBC, I have only 3 people to cover that too. If I
> don't
> > get more, I might not run it this year! So quit complaining about not
> having
> > enough. You'll tick off a lot more people besides me.
> >
> > I think the solution for you guys is to quit piling all your counts all
> on
> > the same day! Just look at it: Madison, Milwaukee, Appleton, Green Bay,
> > Wausau, La Crosse, Stevens Point, etc. They all take place on the same
> day!
> > If you want more people for your count circle, spread them out! There are
> > three whole weeks in the count period! Surely that's enough days to
> > schedule a couple counts in each part of the state per day (i.e. 3-8
> counts
> > per day somewhere in the state).
> > Then there'd be plenty of birders for each count and nobody would ever go
> > with "substandard" numbers of observers ever again!
> >
> > End rant. --Chris W, Richland County CBC compiler for Retreat and
> Columbus
> > CBCsPast and present participant on Retreat, Platteville, Richland
> Center,
> > Bridgeport, Kickapoo, Sauk City CBCs.
> >
> > P.S. For everyone else: Let me know if you'd like to help "standardize"
> > either of my CBCs and help out. It would be much appreciated.
> >
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 14:46:36 -0600
> >> Subject: [wisb] Too Many Christmas Bird Count Circles?
> >> From: harrierhawk1@xxxxxxxxx
> >> To: wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >> All,
> >> With the holiday's falling squarely on two key weekends this year, the
> >> problem of coverage is particularly acute! I am well aware that the
> >> proverbial "can" is being opened by raising this topic, but let me offer
> > my
> >> Milwaukee circle as an example:
> >> In the most populated area of the state I have the benefit of coverage
> far
> >> better than many areas. Here's how it roughly breaks down: I will
> >> probably have 15-17 field parties to cover 24 sections within the circle
> >> (some "popular" locations within a particular section sometimes have
> their
> >> own parties, like Lake Park, so certain sections receive multiple
> coverage
> >> because of this). Of those 24 sections, 5-6 of my field parties will
> have
> >> to cover at least 2 sections. In several cases, only one field observer
> > is
> >> available to cover 2 sections by themselves! In addition, several other
> >> parties are currently dividing their time between the Milwaukee and a
> >> neighboring count.
> >> Please do not misunderstand, I do not outline the Milwaukee count to
> >> "complain", but merely to illustrate that even in an area with many
> >> participants to draw on, there are challenges to ensuring complete
> > coverage
> >> of the circle. Perhaps, in regions of the state with a multitude of
> >> counts, certain counts ought to be "decommissioned". This would also be
> >> appropriate for other counts that have ongoing substandard levels of
> >> participation. My thoughts are that diluted, half-hearted coverage does
> a
> >> disservice to the purpose of these winter survey's. Personally, I would
> >> prefer a smaller number of counts with more thorough coverage.
> >> Andrea Szymczak
> >> Milwaukee CBC participant & compiler, Palmyra count participant
> >> Waukesha, WI
> >>
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