[windows2000] Re: [THIN] Hypothetical questions for list re Web Availability of list messages

  • From: "Nail, Larry" <lnail@xxxxxx>
  • To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2003 22:17:03 -0500

I do everything via email for offline reading... Its not likely that I'd
use it.  Then again, I'm just one body.  Sounds like something fun to
play with to hone up those skills tho. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Kenzig http://thethin.net [mailto:jimkenz@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 10:09 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Hypothetical questions for list re Web Availability of
list messages

Hi All,
Okay so I am honing up my DB skills here. If I were to build a page on
thethin.net that displayed a listing of say the last 25 or so messages
posted to this list..which would get updated say at an interval of every
2 or so hours so people could read the messages online on thethin.net
would that be beneficial to anyone and worth my time pursuing.

I have a rudimentary page set up that lists the last 10 messages from
the list so you could get an idea of what I am talking about.  I can set
it to do more messages but when you get over 50 or so it takes the page
much longer to load.

Have a look at the sample page.... http://thethin.net/search9002.cfm

They are currently ordered newest to oldest message. What I could do
then is set up the results page with a next and previous tag that would
click you onto the next message so that you could read them in

I am not aiming to replace the messages archives at freelists I'm only
trying to make it easier for people to get the last several messages
posted to review quickly if they do not have access to email. The
archives will still also be searchable at thethin.net. I guess the aim
is to maybe get back some of the Yahoogroups functionality and not try
and reinvent the wheel.


What is a reasonable update frequency for the messages to display?  I
have to schedule a script to pop3 download the messages and then a send
script to index them into the database so it can't be too frequently. My
guess would be no less than 30 minutes or it will detriment server use
and no more than
3 hours or the information is unusable. I currently have it set to
download every 2 hours and reindex.

How many messages do you need to be able to view.  For example the last
100, 50, 25?

Would people be interested if I attempted to syndicate the list messages
into an RSS feed? I am not quite sure how difficult this would be since
it is dynamic data. If anyone out there is syndicating outputted data
from a database let me know if you have any tips.

-The archives has 3 mailing lists combined. The Thin List, the Windows
2000 List and the CitrixSE List.
People might not be interested in one list or another.  I haven't come
up with a way yet to separate the messages out.
-Make thethin.net even slower? More database requests on the server.

Possible Future development:
-Set up the results page with a next and previous tag that would click
you onto the next message to read them in succession.
-Write code to display the previous or next 10 or 25 messages from the
-RSS Feed? Syndication?
-Set up a new database for each list and separate them out.
-Reply mail form at end of message to send a reply to a message. I have
this functionality done but I have to consider the security risk of
people sending spam with it and abusing it. Only members can send
messages to the list, I am more concerned with people using it to send
random messages elsewhere. I might be able to force the to line
though.hmmm.so maybe I'll be OK with this.

-Provide this functionality for other pertinent lists that do not have
web access. Let me know if interested.
-Get a whole lot faster server for thethin.net to do it. (cash or a
super fast server donations accepted) : )

Please let me know your thoughts and ideas on this. You can send
comments off list if you want to jkenzig@xxxxxxxxx

Jim Kenzig

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