[windows2000] Re: OT: IT-budgeting and PHBs - Long (Was: Can't DC s be ghosted??)
- From: "Joe Shonk" <JShonk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 08:26:50 -0800
Well one way is not to suggest bandaids.. (I did hear water cooling... =
That may be fine for home, but for a server? come on... I realize their =
are *nix and mainframes that are water cooled, but those are =
professionally designed and built systems, redundant and very =
expensive)
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Daniel Ensor [mailto:densor@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 8:01 AM
To: 'windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT: IT-budgeting and PHBs - Long (Was: Can't
DC s be ghosted??)
I was going to mention that, Angus how can Sorin make them realise they =
need
AC? if the dept's the way you say it sounds like their dragging their =
feet
in the history of the dept. Maybe you could go on holiday and leave a
fan-heater on full heat in the server room for two weeks that way you're =
not
there when the S^^t hits the fan?=20
Happy New Year all
Daniel
-----Original Message-----
From: Sorin Srbu [mailto:sorin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:57 PM
To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT: IT-budgeting and PHBs - Long (Was: Can't
DC s be ghosted??)
On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:36:49 -0000, Angus Macdonald wrote:
>It sounds to me that what you need is a "demonstration" of what could
>happen. Yes it may be slightly unprofessional but it may be the only =
=3D
>way to
>get the message across. My organisation only discovered how dependant =
=3D
>it was
>on email when the server was out of action for four days. They listened =
=3D
>to
>my advice after that, at least for a while.
Yes, but how? Should I sculk into the server-room late one night
and hammer those darn things to pieces with a grossly over-sized
mallet and burn it all up? 8*]
We are also overly dependent on e-mail. We dicided that when the
unix-guy who runs the mailserver goes to another (real) career, we
will outsource the mailstuff to the university, inctead of doing it
ourselves. A good thing. Maybe...
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sorin Srbu [mailto:sorin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: 08 January 2003 13:29
>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [windows2000] OT: IT-budgeting and PHBs - Long (Was: Can't DCs
>be ghosted??)
>
>
>
>On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 04:22:28 -0800, Charles R. Buchanan wrote:
>
>>Personally I think your boss needs his/her head examined. :-O I take =
=3D
>it
>>that there is way more than 5000USD worth of equipment in there, =3D
>correct?
>>Also just how much money will be lost if that equipment has a massive
>>failure (heat related)? How much would the company have to spend to =
=3D
>replace
>>the equipment and how much money will be lost productivity wise? =3D
>Sounds
>like
>>5000 dollars isn't all that much after all IMO. :-)
>
>It's like this: Our department is doing pharmaceutical drug
>discovery research. The =3DFCberboss (not the boss I sort under, who is
>in fact quite understanding and nice) has made it clear that this
>department will not under any circumstance spend more money on IT
>than on the actual research being done. Period. My hands are tied.
>Being the largest, the most advanced and the most successfull (it's
>open for disscussion...) non-commercial pharmacautical department
>in
>Uppsala, and maybe in Sweden, the leading ppl of our department
>think we also have a heritage to honour. This means that IT is
>secondary, or even further down. After all, research has
>been done here for over 50 years, and it's only since I began as a
>sysadmin a few years back, the IT-revolution really took off. Maybe
>exploded is a better description... When I first started in autumn
>2000, there were three or four shared computers on 30-40
>PhD-students and lecturers=3D20
>in a *sometimes* working workgroup. No we have AD, working
>backup-systems, a client-server network, working e-mail, IT-support
>and helpdesk and a server downtime of less than about one hour per
>month
>(it's windows after all 8-) compared to a week or so downtime per
>month from before. Needless to say, the expansion has gone very
>quickly, and I hope that it's only a temporary resistance to IT.
>The professor who is the =3DFCberboss and holds the money is to be
>retired in five years or so. Until then, as I said before, my hands
>are tied. I've also tried to speak to him directly about high
>initial costs, but that it now some three years after the
>IT-evolution start,
>the cost-curve is levelling out, or is even going down. Doesn't
>help. He/they are still in the belief that research is only done in
>a fume hood and in the lab... 8-/
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>[mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Sorin Srbu
>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:38 PM
>>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: Can't DCs be ghosted??
>>>
>>>
>>
>>>If you have that much hardware, running without AC is insane.
>>>Can't you get
>>>>them to cut a hole in the wall for a $300 unit or redo some of
>>>the AC ducts
>>>>to cover the server room?
>>>
>>>Asked about this, but no. Forbidden. Rerouting some AC ducts from a
>>>cold room nearby is USD 5000. I'm screwed either way. It's probably
>>>the landlord's way of saying "if you want AC, you better pay the
>>>whole thing, even though it's a no-brainer to reroute the ducts".
>>>What can I say... 8-/
BW,
Sorin
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