On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:01:13 -0000, Daniel Ensor wrote: >I was going to mention that, Angus how can Sorin make them realise they need >AC? if the dept's the way you say it sounds like their dragging their feet >in the history of the dept. Maybe you could go on holiday and leave a >fan-heater on full heat in the server room for two weeks that way you're not >there when the S^^t hits the fan? Yeah, and I'm the one who gets to shovel up the sh!t afterwards... Well, we'll see how the servers live through the coming swedish summer in a few months. They tend to be incredibly hit. 8-/ I'm especially curious with the one server that is water-cooled and dumps an incredible amount of heat from the radiator to the rest of the (small) room). They can't say I didn't warn them. And I'm going for a vacation away from Sweden this summer. <MOOAH-HA-HAH> >>8-> >-----Original Message----- >From: Sorin Srbu [mailto:sorin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 1:57 PM >To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >Subject: [windows2000] Re: OT: IT-budgeting and PHBs - Long (Was: Can't >DC s be ghosted??) > > > >On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 13:36:49 -0000, Angus Macdonald wrote: > >>It sounds to me that what you need is a "demonstration" of what could >>happen. Yes it may be slightly unprofessional but it may be the only = >>way to >>get the message across. My organisation only discovered how dependant = >>it was >>on email when the server was out of action for four days. They listened = >>to >>my advice after that, at least for a while. > >Yes, but how? Should I sculk into the server-room late one night >and hammer those darn things to pieces with a grossly over-sized >mallet and burn it all up? 8*] > >We are also overly dependent on e-mail. We dicided that when the >unix-guy who runs the mailserver goes to another (real) career, we >will outsource the mailstuff to the university, inctead of doing it >ourselves. A good thing. Maybe... > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Sorin Srbu [mailto:sorin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] >>Sent: 08 January 2003 13:29 >>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>Subject: [windows2000] OT: IT-budgeting and PHBs - Long (Was: Can't DCs >>be ghosted??) >> >> >> >>On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 04:22:28 -0800, Charles R. Buchanan wrote: >> >>>Personally I think your boss needs his/her head examined. :-O I take = >>it >>>that there is way more than 5000USD worth of equipment in there, = >>correct? >>>Also just how much money will be lost if that equipment has a massive >>>failure (heat related)? How much would the company have to spend to = >>replace >>>the equipment and how much money will be lost productivity wise? = >>Sounds >>like >>>5000 dollars isn't all that much after all IMO. :-) >> >>It's like this: Our department is doing pharmaceutical drug >>discovery research. The =FCberboss (not the boss I sort under, who is >>in fact quite understanding and nice) has made it clear that this >>department will not under any circumstance spend more money on IT >>than on the actual research being done. Period. My hands are tied. >>Being the largest, the most advanced and the most successfull (it's >>open for disscussion...) non-commercial pharmacautical department >>in >>Uppsala, and maybe in Sweden, the leading ppl of our department >>think we also have a heritage to honour. This means that IT is >>secondary, or even further down. After all, research has >>been done here for over 50 years, and it's only since I began as a >>sysadmin a few years back, the IT-revolution really took off. Maybe >>exploded is a better description... When I first started in autumn >>2000, there were three or four shared computers on 30-40 >>PhD-students and lecturers=20 >>in a *sometimes* working workgroup. No we have AD, working >>backup-systems, a client-server network, working e-mail, IT-support >>and helpdesk and a server downtime of less than about one hour per >>month >>(it's windows after all 8-) compared to a week or so downtime per >>month from before. Needless to say, the expansion has gone very >>quickly, and I hope that it's only a temporary resistance to IT. >>The professor who is the =FCberboss and holds the money is to be >>retired in five years or so. Until then, as I said before, my hands >>are tied. I've also tried to speak to him directly about high >>initial costs, but that it now some three years after the >>IT-evolution start, >>the cost-curve is levelling out, or is even going down. Doesn't >>help. He/they are still in the belief that research is only done in >>a fume hood and in the lab... 8-/ >> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>[mailto:windows2000-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Sorin Srbu >>>>Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:38 PM >>>>To: windows2000@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>Subject: [windows2000] Re: Can't DCs be ghosted?? >>>> >>>> >>> >>>>If you have that much hardware, running without AC is insane. >>>>Can't you get >>>>>them to cut a hole in the wall for a $300 unit or redo some of >>>>the AC ducts >>>>>to cover the server room? >>>> >>>>Asked about this, but no. Forbidden. Rerouting some AC ducts from a >>>>cold room nearby is USD 5000. I'm screwed either way. It's probably >>>>the landlord's way of saying "if you want AC, you better pay the >>>>whole thing, even though it's a no-brainer to reroute the ducts". >>>>What can I say... 8-/ BW, Sorin # Sorin Srbu, Systems Engineer Web: http://www.farmaci.uu.se # Dept of Medicinal Chemistry, Phone: +46-18-4714482 >> 5 signals >> GSM # Div of Org Pharm Chem, Mobile Phone: +46-701-718023 # BMC, Box 574, Uppsala University Fax: +46-18-471-4474 # SE-751 23 Uppsala, Sweden Visit: BMC, Husargatan 3, D5:512b # # Public PGP key available on request. ================================== To Unsubscribe, set digest or vacation mode or view archives use the below link. http://thethin.net/win2000list.cfm