I agree with Tom but it should be noted that the current "black gum
swamp" is much smaller than the the mapped outline of Delva's pond or
swamp. There are now a number of small wet areas with dry land around
them as opposed to a larger pond as earlier mapped.
James J. Toth
On 1/4/2021 12:41 PM, Tom Wyatt wrote:
The 1871 FW Beers map <http://memorialhall.mass.edu/collection/itempage.jsp?itemid=15676> is linked from the Warwick Historical Society's website http://www.whs.steamkite.com/ <http://www.whs.steamkite.com/>
This map shows the "Delva Pond" in the lower left corner, to the west of Wendell Road. This may be the BLack Gum Swamp, the trails group should be able to confirm. The 1830 map in the back of Charlie Morse's book, calls it "P. Delvae"
Tom Wyatt
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 6:51 PM, Jim McRae <jimmcraejim@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:jimmcraejim@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Is that black gum swamp what's called Delvae swamp on some maps?
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On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 5:00 PM <gbrodski@xxxxxxxxx
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I agree with Doc – a trail to Black Gum forest will be very
interesting. Though there are couple vernal pools and large
wetland areas as I recall, so we might want to arrange a
dedicated conservation walk to look for the best trail option.
Let us plan this for coming spring!
Gregory Brodski, ScD
Warwick, MA
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Doc,
The Black Gum Swamp is on our radar screen. We (the trails
group or whatever we're called) have done two reconnaissance
hikes back in that direction -- one from the Wendell Road and
one from Flagg Road. Alan Berman accompanied us on the second
hike and helped us to locate the boundaries between town land
(including the Shaw parcel) and state land that run through
the area. I agree with your observation about it being very
nice land back there, and it is not at all limited just to the
Black Gums. It would be great if we could have a nice, marked
route back into that area, complete with the kinds of
interpretive signs we're planning to have at Hockanum. As you
would have seen, there are already good trails running through
the area that could serve as an excellent starting point.
Since we've done just about all we can do at the moment on the
new Hockanum trail, the trails group is going to turn its
attention to the trails at WCS next. We're planning on doing
another reconnaissance walk over there next week and
continuing to coordinate with those involved in the pavilion
and gardens aspects of development over there. I hope that
we'll turn our attention back to the Black Gum Swamp and
surrounding lands next year some time.
Stay tuned, and for all who would like to get out of the house
for a nice little excursion, wander on over to Hockanum when
you have a chance, and check out the new loop trail.
Karl
On 12/30/2020 11:26 AM Lawrence Pruyne
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A loop trail back to the black gum forest would be an
excellent asset for the kids at the new school to learn from.
It's my understanding those trees don't grow very big?
I heard there was some black gums on the newly acquired
Shaw property, on the other side of Wendell and up the
hill a ways. I wandered through that whole area, found
what looked like an area of old undisturbed mossy
boulders, but missed the black gums; but that's another
area of nice forests, some big exceptions, etc.
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A loop trail though Black Gum forest should be our
next project 😊
Gregory Brodski, ScD
Warwick, MA
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Is that loop trail anywhere near the stand of black
gum trees I heard about?
On Wed, Dec 30, 2020 at 10:17 AM <bcompton@xxxxxxxxx
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The full loop is just over a half-mile.
Brad C.
On Dec 30, 2020, 10:10 AM -0500, Ruth Joslin
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Anyone know the approximate distance for the
loop trail?
Thanks,
Ruth
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On Dec 29, 2020, at 6:35 PM, Jim McRae
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I was just up there Jim, and while I
didn't spend time with the hole, I did
wonder about the ditch. There are several
short, discontinuous stonewalls
around there as well and the trees are
pretty young (<70 yrs. or so). It suggests
a few reasonably recent (? ie 20th
century?)) gestures towards an or several
ends, perhaps never completed or not
proving worth continuing pursuit? I'll ask
around as I can.
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 6:16 PM James Toth
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Several years ago the Town acquired
some land south of the apex of
Hockanum Hill Road and there has been
a short trail on that land to a
nice overlook to the east. Recently,
volunteers have opened an
additional trail that runs a bit west
of the original trail and now
forms a loop between the parking lot
and overlook. Questions arose about
a small depression that was thought to
be a cellar hole. Upon
examination I noticed that there are
several rocks in and near the hole
that have been drilled and split. It
appears that the hole was not a
cellar hole but rather a small test
pit for a granite quarry. The hole
is only about 4 feet deep and 10 feet
in diameter so very little rock
was cut and removed. During my recent
examination of the hole, I also
noticed a very well constructed ditch
about 20' away from the hole. The
ditch is about 3 feet deep and the top
of the bank is higher than the
surrounding terrain. The ditch runs
for several hundred feet. I am
puzzled why the ditch was constructed
and wondering if anyone out there
can provide an answer. The uphill and
downhill ends of the ditch are
nondescript and there really isn't any
water anywhere around there to
transport since it is a dry hillside
near the top of the ridge. I'd
welcome any info to try and solve this
mystery. Jim
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