[vicsireland] Re: [JAVA and the companies registration office
- From: Tony.G.Murray@xxxxxx
- To: vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 09:44:15 +0000
Hi,
I find the CRO's web site (www.cro.ie) to be imperfect, but certainly not
the most inaccessible or unusable site ever. Interestingly, the Plain
Text link doesn't work, but the whole ideology behind such a feature is
redundant... so why not that actual link? Seriously though, my experiences
with it haven't been too bad. It could be that I'm not accessing the same
areas as you.
> I noticed that the site is using Java for the workspace.
What led you to that conclusion? Where's the workspace?
> Has anyone any hints on how to use Java with JAWS?
Hmm, big question, and here comes a big answer.
Some aspects of JavaScript when utilised on the front end of web
applications or sites can be inaccessible or unusable, but given the
enhancements built in to Jaws in the past number of years, these instances
are becoming fewer and fewer. I wonder if it is some sort of front end
JavaScript validation functionality that has caused your machine to lock
up.
I've seen JavaScript being used on the server side of web applications,
but it is not as common these days. I am kind of discounting server side
JavaScript in your case, as you wouldn't be able to see it working by
ploughing through a form (unless the designer had awful error handling
abilities), and yeah, like I say because nobody really uses it any more.
JavaScript is commonly confused with Java. They are not the same.
Different languages altogether. Java Applets, which are essentially Java
programs which can run in your browser, are generally a nightmare to work
with when using Jaws. Thankfully, Applets are old hat at this stage, and
it's been ages since I've seen one. They have been eclipsed (ha ha!) by
Flash etc, which is all good news. So let's discount that one too for the
moment (come back to me if it is an applet and I'll do some more
investigations).
You would be amazed at how many times you have 'used' Java with Jaws when
accessing the Internet. Java, by it's nature, is mainly a back end
technology. In my experience programs utilising Java in the background,
in a lot of cases use HTML as their front ends... which is just okie cokie
for us Jaws users... provided the HTML complies with all those standards
which we're so familiar with.
Now just to make it even more confusing, when I talk about Java being used
in the background, a lot of the time it is used in the back end of the
front end, or as a middle layer between the front end and the real 'back
end' like a database or whatever. Anyhoo, you'll be delighted that I'm
not here to talk about all these multiple layers!!
Some applications, be they Java or otherwise, use pure Java front ends.
Now, these can be tricky to use with Jaws. That's when you go down the
Access Bridge route, take a chance (a chica chica chance), and hope for
the best. They usually don't work, but again, I don't think this is what
you're dealing with here. The only one I've seen for a long time is
Limewire, that illegal file sharing program. Nothing else springs to
mind, except some nasty SAP things.
I'm straying way off the point here in my little explanation of Java,
JavaScript, and the differences between both. It is part of my process of
elimination though, so bear with me. Can you give us an idea of what
exactly you were doing on the CRO's site? Maybe then someone can go
through the functionality you were accessing to figure out what is going
on... That is assuming their own PC doesn't go bye-bye.
> Is it a hopeless case?
I doubt it. However, as the great Homer Simpson said "Trying is the first
step towards failure" and who are we to disagree?
Something just struck me, I wonder could you have activated one of those
links which opens a PDF in a browser window? I bet the CRO's web site has
a few of those. They've caused me problems in the past, but they are not
Java related. There is a possible link to the use of JavaScript here
(JavaScript is often used to open a new window in a browser which is
extremely annoying), I'm warming to this theory!
Anyway, if nothing else, at least my mail will have hopefully put out the
message... There is a difference between Java and JavaScript. Their only
real similarity is in their names.
Have fun,
Tony
"Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxx>
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Hi,
I was trying to use the workspace in the Companies Registration Office web
site to work on some online forms today. I was shocked to find that the
whole screen went dead and JAWS locked up so completely that I had to
restart the computer.
I noticed that the site is using Java for the workspace. Has anyone any
hints on how to use Java with JAWS? Is it a hopeless case?
All the best,
Cearbhall
"Good design enables - Bad design disables"
Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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