[vicsireland] Re: [JAVA and the companies registration office
- From: "Cearbhall O Meadhra" <cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxx>
- To: <vicsireland@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2008 10:53:33 -0000
Dear Tony,
Thanks for the comprehensive answer!
As you say, I had no trouble with the index page and other links on the
cro.ie web site. The trouble arose when I registered with "Core" which is
the part of the CRO service which allows you to send files and do other
activities related to company law online. This is accessed through a link
labelled "Core" on the index page of the cro.ie. The index page of Core is
also accessible. I first had to register with Core. This requires a user
name and password. The user name is any valid email that the user wishes to
put in. The registration process went fine and I was able to operate all the
fields.
When the user name and password have been successfully entered, the system
opens up the user's workspace where one is supposed to be able to submit
forms and carry out all company transactions as an alternative to posting
them.
As soon as the workspace opened up my entire system stopped and I could not
operate any other windows nor get any response from JAWS, for example, by
moving to the desktop. I opened up Narrator and this showed that I could not
move around the windows which had been open. It was clear that the entire
system had locked up. The only solution was to restart the computer. With a
fresh start I went back to the cro.ie web site, linked to "core" and
attempted to gain entry to the "Core" workspace again. The same thing
happened as soon as I successfully entered my user name and password.
Narrator seemed to indicate that the Core workspace was in Java - not Java
script.
I would welcome any thoughts people might have.
If any brave souls would like to try out the "Core" registration, there is
no cost in registering a user name and password.
All the best,
Cearbhall
"Good design enables - Bad design disables"
Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em:
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Sent: 31 January 2008 09:44
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Subject: [vicsireland] Re: [JAVA and the companies registration office
Hi,
I find the CRO's web site (www.cro.ie) to be imperfect, but certainly not
the most inaccessible or unusable site ever. Interestingly, the Plain Text
link doesn't work, but the whole ideology behind such a feature is
redundant... so why not that actual link? Seriously though, my experiences
with it haven't been too bad. It could be that I'm not accessing the same
areas as you.
> I noticed that the site is using Java for the workspace.
What led you to that conclusion? Where's the workspace?
> Has anyone any hints on how to use Java with JAWS?
Hmm, big question, and here comes a big answer.
Some aspects of JavaScript when utilised on the front end of web
applications or sites can be inaccessible or unusable, but given the
enhancements built in to Jaws in the past number of years, these instances
are becoming fewer and fewer. I wonder if it is some sort of front end
JavaScript validation functionality that has caused your machine to lock up.
I've seen JavaScript being used on the server side of web applications, but
it is not as common these days. I am kind of discounting server side
JavaScript in your case, as you wouldn't be able to see it working by
ploughing through a form (unless the designer had awful error handling
abilities), and yeah, like I say because nobody really uses it any more.
JavaScript is commonly confused with Java. They are not the same.
Different languages altogether. Java Applets, which are essentially Java
programs which can run in your browser, are generally a nightmare to work
with when using Jaws. Thankfully, Applets are old hat at this stage, and
it's been ages since I've seen one. They have been eclipsed (ha ha!) by
Flash etc, which is all good news. So let's discount that one too for the
moment (come back to me if it is an applet and I'll do some more
investigations).
You would be amazed at how many times you have 'used' Java with Jaws when
accessing the Internet. Java, by it's nature, is mainly a back end
technology. In my experience programs utilising Java in the background, in
a lot of cases use HTML as their front ends... which is just okie cokie for
us Jaws users... provided the HTML complies with all those standards which
we're so familiar with.
Now just to make it even more confusing, when I talk about Java being used
in the background, a lot of the time it is used in the back end of the front
end, or as a middle layer between the front end and the real 'back end' like
a database or whatever. Anyhoo, you'll be delighted that I'm not here to
talk about all these multiple layers!!
Some applications, be they Java or otherwise, use pure Java front ends.
Now, these can be tricky to use with Jaws. That's when you go down the
Access Bridge route, take a chance (a chica chica chance), and hope for the
best. They usually don't work, but again, I don't think this is what you're
dealing with here. The only one I've seen for a long time is Limewire, that
illegal file sharing program. Nothing else springs to mind, except some
nasty SAP things.
I'm straying way off the point here in my little explanation of Java,
JavaScript, and the differences between both. It is part of my process of
elimination though, so bear with me. Can you give us an idea of what
exactly you were doing on the CRO's site? Maybe then someone can go through
the functionality you were accessing to figure out what is going on... That
is assuming their own PC doesn't go bye-bye.
> Is it a hopeless case?
I doubt it. However, as the great Homer Simpson said "Trying is the first
step towards failure" and who are we to disagree?
Something just struck me, I wonder could you have activated one of those
links which opens a PDF in a browser window? I bet the CRO's web site has a
few of those. They've caused me problems in the past, but they are not Java
related. There is a possible link to the use of JavaScript here (JavaScript
is often used to open a new window in a browser which is extremely
annoying), I'm warming to this theory!
Anyway, if nothing else, at least my mail will have hopefully put out the
message... There is a difference between Java and JavaScript. Their only
real similarity is in their names.
Have fun,
Tony
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Hi,
I was trying to use the workspace in the Companies Registration Office web
site to work on some online forms today. I was shocked to find that the
whole screen went dead and JAWS locked up so completely that I had to
restart the computer.
I noticed that the site is using Java for the workspace. Has anyone any
hints on how to use Java with JAWS? Is it a hopeless case?
All the best,
Cearbhall
"Good design enables - Bad design disables"
Tel: 01-2864623 Mob: 087 9922227 Em: cearbhall.omeadhra@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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