Christy, I have found that the best way to hold the harness is to very gently curl the 4 fingers of your left hand around the handle so that it can easily move within your curled fingers, and place your thumb against the side of your index finger. This way you are not gripping the harness, and you will be able to read everything that Mickey is doing. This may help with your pulling back on the handle as well. I did the same thing at first, and it affected how Sunny communicated with me. I was not able to follow her, or tell the subtle things that she was trying so hard to let me know about. My trainer showed me the new way of holding her harness and I have been using it ever since. It made a world of difference in the way that Sunny and I communicate with each other. Kolby -----Original Message----- From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of care4k9@xxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2008 11:26 PM To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: (VICT) Plling or not pulling Ok, now I get why Mickey isn't really pulling full in his harness. I tend to repond to the harness like a leash. I wasn't thinking about it but I was pulling him back like I do on a leash with the harness. UGH! BadChristy, like I shold know better not to do that, but facing it was the hardest to do since I so advocate training with all positive reinforcement. So now i need to careflly rethink how I work with Mickey and pay attention not on him, but more on what I am doing! Christy -- Christy Hill A'Mickey *************** http://home.att.net/~care4k9