Thanks Christy. That advice is very much like what Paul gave me yesterday. I don't get emotiuonal about the training whether its working or not while we do the training. It is just that I realized it was time to get some others insights. I got some really good insights this morning from Mara who runs Paws to Freedom as well. We will get this and thanks to a lot of good tips- I think we are ready for another go at it. Smile Afterall there is nothing else we can do with all this snow coming down- round 2 for the Pacific Northwest. Karyn and Thane