(VICT) Re: An Interesting Experience
- From: "Gisele Mesnage" <gisele@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2008 08:49:50 +1000
Thank you for the welcome, Sarah. I'm also enjoying all the tips and all the
people sharing their experiences.
Cheers,
Gisele
gisele@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: Sarah Calhoun
To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 9:44 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: An Interesting Experience
Hello everyone,
Welcome to Gesele and a Hello to all! I am not good on the computer and
noticed I was missing some emails from other chat members. My friend checked
my computer system and found many friends and family notes not being able to
get into my IN box. They fixed it and I hope to hear more from everyone. I
love the great tips, suggestions and general talk. I apologize for any
mishaps on your end. Please include my address if you don't have it.
sc-tico@xxxxxxxxxxxx
I love the suggestion of giving veggie treats more which may help the dogs
disposition. I am going to start feeding the love of my life, Tico my first
dog guide for 2 years now., veggie treats. He works well but we have issues
of getting distracted and not keeping his mind on our work. After a walk not
turning out well, I get apprehensive, find myself not putting my confidence
in him and a bit nervous. Am I the only one or does this happen to others?
Any suggestions or tips?
Thank you all and our best to you.
Sincerely,
Sarah & Tico
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gisele Mesnage" <gisele@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:55 PM
Subject: (VICT) Re: An Interesting Experience
> Hello Jackie,
> Thank you for the welcome. It's so nice to be able to talk to others
> around the world about the issues we have with our dogs. I hope Cola will
> enjoy her vegies as much as Katie does. I give her fresh cooked
> vegetables or cooked frozen vegetables. I just add them to her kibbles
> with the water they cooked in for extra flavour. Since joining the list, I
> have been trying out some clicker training, and I give Katie bits of
> apples , pears or bananas when she does the tasks I ask her to do. She
> really loves fruits. I tried segments of oranges, but, although she
> loved them, I stopped because it unsettled her digestion, if you know what
> I mean. The meat-based treats are of course more practical when I am out
> and about, but I think I'm going to get into the practice of carrying
> bits of fresh fruits now. I do that already when I go to the swimming
> pool, a class or a meeting, when I want to give her a snack. But it's
> carrying little bits of fruits for rewards when she does somet
> hing right in the street which is not so practical, because I have to
> remember to put them in my bag and take them out each day, whereas the dry
> liver treats can remain in my bag until I need them.
>
> All the best
> Gisele
> .
>
>
>
>
>
> gisele@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jackie Rumble
> To: vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 10:28 AM
> Subject: (VICT) Re: An Interesting Experience
>
>
> Hi Gisele,
> Welcome to the list.
> My name is Jackie and I am on my 2nd guide dog named cola,
>
> You know, I am thinking of trying to use veggies for treats instead of
> meat-based ones as she is a hyper dog too, but not as bad as she used to
> be.
>
> Once again welcome and I hope you enjoy your time here.
>
> Jackie and Cola
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gisele Mesnage" <gisele@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <vi-clicker-trainers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 8:01 PM
> Subject: (VICT) Re: An Interesting Experience
>
>
> > Hello Karen and Thane and all,
> > I recently joined the list and I guess it's time to introduce myself.
> My
> > name is Gisele and I live in Sydney, Australia. I have a guide dog
> named
> > Katie.
> >
> > Your post interested me, Karen, because I also have been wondering if
> > there might be a significant link between diet and behaviour. My dog
> > Katie is very excitable, distracted and we have had issues with
> encounters
> > with other dogs. I have had Katie for six months and she is my first
> > guide dog; in fact my first dog of any kind. Some weeks back, I didn't
> > have a dog biscuit handy, so I gave her a cooked carrot instead. She
> ate
> > it happily, but it amazed me how sedate she was afterwards, instead of
> > jumping around as she normally did after a biscuit I repeated the
> > experiment at various other times, always getting the same results.
> When
> > I give her meat.-based treats, she is always excitable. If I give her
> > vegetable or fruit treats, she loves them but is much calmer after. So
> > the information you provided in your post was very interesting.
> >
> > Like you, I thought that perhaps Katie needed more activity, so I tried
> to
> > take her into the city and do more things. And like Thane, Katie has
> > acted up when I was crossing roads, especially when she saw another
> dog.
> > And at the back of my mind, there has been this question as to how much
> > her diet might be at issue here. I feed her premium quality chicken
> and
> > rice kibbles and fresh cooked vegetables. But I'm thinking I should
> cut
> > out the liver treats, even though they are supposed to be effective
> > training aids.
> >
> > I am not sure how to post to this list, so I hope this goes through. I
> > also wanted to get the clicker training tips, which are supposed to be
> > available to list members.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gisele
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ,
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > gisele@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Karyn and Thane
> > To: Vi-clicker
> > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 5:07 AM
> > Subject: (VICT) An Interesting Experience
> >
> >
> > I thought I would share something here that has happened with both my
> > assistance dogs. As you may know, Met had chronic health problems. He
> was
> > a
> > victim of vaccinosis (severe vaccine reaction) due to a distracted vet
> > when
> > he was a pup. It only came full circle after he was trained and
> > re-vaccinated.
> > Anyway I did everything I could to learn for him. I had purchased a
> book
> > called Four Paws five Directions by Cheryl Schwartz DVM. For those who
> > are
> > Bookshare members its on Bookshare now. This book is on Traditional
> > Chinese
> > Medicine. In the section on meats it talks about how meat from various
> > animals can affect the animal that eats it. For instance that
> consuming
> > the
> > food of a bold, strong, steady cow is good for a timid, highstrung,
> > cautious animal. The resulting picture is a more confident calmer dog.
> If
> > you give the same dog lamb, the opposite can happen and they become
> more
> > unsure, cautious, fearful.
> > I saw it in action with Met and well seeing is believing right.
> Anytime I
> > tried to take Met off of beef, he would become distracted, unsure,
> edgy
> > and
> > at times hyper sound sensitive. Put him back on beef and he was a
> really
> > stable awesome dog. I always figured it was partially that his health
> > needs
> > required this as well. I never looked at it in the sense of this is
> him
> > as
> > an individual and would be him as an individual even if he did not
> have
> > health needs.
> > So along comes Thane. Much of the time since Thane has been here, he
> has
> > been on a beef diet. As you may know he recently had a major balk
> about
> > eating so I played around a tad before settling on Go Natural Salmon
> and
> > Oatmeal. I was not able to get the Before Grain which I had been
> trying
> > samples of but it could have been ordered for me. I also brought home
> a
> > small bag of Solid Gold's Mmillenia just in case it was needed.
> > Thane was on the Go Natural for just a couple days and he was like-
> > changing. He was less attentive, not following commands well- a bit
> > obstinate even. He became really sound reactive and shared this with
> me
> > out
> > on the main street with semi's speeding by- it was no picnic. Trust me
> > not
> > the place you want this experience. At first I was thinking we just
> were
> > not
> > doing enough lately as I have felt pretty overdone and basically took
> > much
> > of the month off. I had recently joined a list though TCM4Dogs and it
> > sent
> > me back to the Four Paws Book.
> > Thane is so different from Met. I would never have considered him a
> > cautious
> > or highly sound reactive dog. No, he does not like thunder or
> fireworks,
> > but
> > he is nothing compared to Met at this age. I did a bit more reading on
> > the
> > various food sources. I learned that some of the ingredients I took
> him
> > off
> > of were actually helpful for digestion among other things. I decided
> to
> > do
> > an experiment. If it did not work, I would know it was how little we
> have
> > done this month. My last trip to the store, I felt like I had a
> toddler
> > in
> > the terrible twos! LOL
> > I really hated losing the Go Natural. It seemed like a much better
> food-
> > but
> > they don't have a beef formula so, I made his meal part Mmillenia and
> > part
> > Go Natural just to see what happened. In just a day I was seeing some
> > improvement. Today we walked up town on the main road, trucks, semi's,
> > cars,
> > buses all speeding past us with not even a flinch from Thane. I still
> > can't
> > completely get my head around how energy from a dead animal-
> especially
> > in a
> > cooked form like kibble could alter my boys stability like this, but I
> > sure
> > have seen it happen enough and I think I'm not going to question the
> why
> > so
> > much at the moment- other than wanting to really understand the
> concept.
> > I
> > am just happy to have Thane back!
> > I'm sharing this because you never know- maybe others have experienced
> > this
> > kind of thing or are presently. Maybe it is not near as pronounced,
> but
> > maybe it can help others look outside the box at things other than
> *not
> > wanting to work* too. I'm so glad I did!
> >
> > Karyn and Thane (back in working form again)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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